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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 56927"><p>traveler, </p><p>On your comments. </p><p> </p><p>1st) None of this is my idea. These ideas are being floated not only in the UK but here in the States in California and Oregon as just 2 examples. I appreciate the confidence but again they are not my ideas. I do however like the discussion they are bringing to the table on the idea of taxation and if you will read my posts again you will see where I fully admit this approach is not without it's many pitfalls. </p><p> </p><p>The current system with the high mileage cars paying the tax at the pump are showing they are not paying enough of the tax to support the amount of their use of the roads and this inequity will only grow as the number of these vehicles grow. Thus the reason you see this new tax approach being discussed. Another idea is to tax at the purchase and then upon tag renewal but the taxation is feared to suppress people from buying the vehicle in the first place. Many would argue and rightly so that why should a buy this vehicle at a greater cost up front and then pay again annually when getting a gas hog may be a better choice just on cost basis alone. The high mileage market is one you want to grow not suppress. I wish I could remember who here has the hybrid as I'd love to have them join this conversation. They can bring a firsthand experience to this that I know I can't. </p><p> </p><p>2nd) You completely error in assuming the odometer will be read on a set basis to determine the tax. Each vehicle will be outfitted with a GPS system that maps your travel on a daily basis and then at a set time you must submit the funds to pay the tax. Does this pose an array of problems? Absolutely it does but it does present an idea of the user pays and I like this approach. Also the new coputer systems in cars already have the ability with things like On Star to pinpoint your location and upload critical data as it pertains to your vehicle. Many States have already discussed using these systems to hook into their data bases and they monitor your on board emmissions systems. If your vehicle is beyond parameters you get a notice in the mail to have the problem corrected in so many days or you recieve a ticket. One proposal even went to far as that after so many days if you didn't have the problem fixed then your car would be disabled and you could not drive it. Yes my friend, Big Brother wants to get bigger. </p><p> </p><p>As I said under a user pays system we can have those who prefer a cradle to grave system living side by side with those who perfer a more risk oriented lifestyle and everyone is happy so to speak. Utopian? Sure but no more so than the Utopian concept that gov't can cure all our ills, provide for all our needs and it doesn't cost us a dime. </p><p> </p><p>You are right that hydrogen production is costly and not so environmentally pure to produce but I'll leave you with this one thought. In the 1700's 2 frenchmen figured out the concept of a hot air balloon and took that first step upwards. Flying in air via plane much less going to the stars was at the time considered at best an impossible task as it was thought it had to be lighter than air to fly at all. Well here we are today having visited the moon and working the design concepts to go farther so don't just sit back and expect the same ole, same ole. Keep the pressure on about costs and environment because I'm with ya but we need to also ask that all important question, " but what about if we did it this way?" </p><p> </p><p>Have a good one.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 56927"] traveler, On your comments. 1st) None of this is my idea. These ideas are being floated not only in the UK but here in the States in California and Oregon as just 2 examples. I appreciate the confidence but again they are not my ideas. I do however like the discussion they are bringing to the table on the idea of taxation and if you will read my posts again you will see where I fully admit this approach is not without it's many pitfalls. The current system with the high mileage cars paying the tax at the pump are showing they are not paying enough of the tax to support the amount of their use of the roads and this inequity will only grow as the number of these vehicles grow. Thus the reason you see this new tax approach being discussed. Another idea is to tax at the purchase and then upon tag renewal but the taxation is feared to suppress people from buying the vehicle in the first place. Many would argue and rightly so that why should a buy this vehicle at a greater cost up front and then pay again annually when getting a gas hog may be a better choice just on cost basis alone. The high mileage market is one you want to grow not suppress. I wish I could remember who here has the hybrid as I'd love to have them join this conversation. They can bring a firsthand experience to this that I know I can't. 2nd) You completely error in assuming the odometer will be read on a set basis to determine the tax. Each vehicle will be outfitted with a GPS system that maps your travel on a daily basis and then at a set time you must submit the funds to pay the tax. Does this pose an array of problems? Absolutely it does but it does present an idea of the user pays and I like this approach. Also the new coputer systems in cars already have the ability with things like On Star to pinpoint your location and upload critical data as it pertains to your vehicle. Many States have already discussed using these systems to hook into their data bases and they monitor your on board emmissions systems. If your vehicle is beyond parameters you get a notice in the mail to have the problem corrected in so many days or you recieve a ticket. One proposal even went to far as that after so many days if you didn't have the problem fixed then your car would be disabled and you could not drive it. Yes my friend, Big Brother wants to get bigger. As I said under a user pays system we can have those who prefer a cradle to grave system living side by side with those who perfer a more risk oriented lifestyle and everyone is happy so to speak. Utopian? Sure but no more so than the Utopian concept that gov't can cure all our ills, provide for all our needs and it doesn't cost us a dime. You are right that hydrogen production is costly and not so environmentally pure to produce but I'll leave you with this one thought. In the 1700's 2 frenchmen figured out the concept of a hot air balloon and took that first step upwards. Flying in air via plane much less going to the stars was at the time considered at best an impossible task as it was thought it had to be lighter than air to fly at all. Well here we are today having visited the moon and working the design concepts to go farther so don't just sit back and expect the same ole, same ole. Keep the pressure on about costs and environment because I'm with ya but we need to also ask that all important question, " but what about if we did it this way?" Have a good one. [/QUOTE]
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