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<blockquote data-quote="bacha29" data-source="post: 4741778" data-attributes="member: 58386">And why do you keep try to equate last summer&#039;s riots with&nbsp; an armed attempt to overthrow the US government? It&#039;s undeniable what they tried to do and they&#039;re boarding up state capital buildings and ramping up security at state capitals even literally boarding up the sate capital building in Lansing . And in a news conference a moment ago FBI said that the bombs placed at DNC and RNC headquarters were in fact live devices and to be prepared for more arrests and more bad news as the investigation unfolds. So my question to you is if they had succeeded what type of government did you want to see installed and what guarantees would you offer that civil liberties would continue to be maintained in their current form and level?&nbsp; Don&#039;t need burden of proof huh? Ok let&#039;s say that tools in my mini barn went among the missing perhaps I simply lost them yet&nbsp; I accuse you of stealing them take you in front of a judge accuse you of stealing purely on the basis of my claim that you stole them nothing more. What you&#039;re saying is that the judge should convict you purely on the basis of my claims. That&#039;s exactly what you&#039;re saying. This is exactly what Guiliani is doing. Seeking to overturn a national presidential election purely on the basis of his claims. You can only cry wolf for so long and in front only so many judges and in Rudy&#039;s case he ran out of them until nobody is going to pay attention to you anymore.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="bacha29, post: 4741778, member: 58386"] And why do you keep try to equate last summer's riots with an armed attempt to overthrow the US government? It's undeniable what they tried to do and they're boarding up state capital buildings and ramping up security at state capitals even literally boarding up the sate capital building in Lansing . And in a news conference a moment ago FBI said that the bombs placed at DNC and RNC headquarters were in fact live devices and to be prepared for more arrests and more bad news as the investigation unfolds. So my question to you is if they had succeeded what type of government did you want to see installed and what guarantees would you offer that civil liberties would continue to be maintained in their current form and level? Don't need burden of proof huh? Ok let's say that tools in my mini barn went among the missing perhaps I simply lost them yet I accuse you of stealing them take you in front of a judge accuse you of stealing purely on the basis of my claim that you stole them nothing more. What you're saying is that the judge should convict you purely on the basis of my claims. That's exactly what you're saying. This is exactly what Guiliani is doing. Seeking to overturn a national presidential election purely on the basis of his claims. You can only cry wolf for so long and in front only so many judges and in Rudy's case he ran out of them until nobody is going to pay attention to you anymore. [/QUOTE]

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