Two Tier Driver....AKA Combo job

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Vanakka512, May 29, 2018.

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Do you approve UPS opening up more jobs by offer driver as a combo position?

  1. Yes

  2. No

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  1. Vanakka512

    Vanakka512 New Member

    I personally hope they do this. I would love to have to opportunity to become full time! 22.3 is fine also, its sad that Walmart pays more then UPS. You just chill at a register. Before you say healthcare, my local has 1 year wait period and most "Younger" employees don't care about healthcare they are healthy. What are your thoughts?
     
  2. Jkloc420

    Jkloc420 Well-Known Member

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  3. TearsInRain

    TearsInRain IE boogeyman

    yes

    i think the Teamsters should come up with some word-jitsu to keep it from being heavily abused, but 22.3 combo jobs would be fantastic flexibility for the company

    can’t tell you how many PDS would love to stop using air drivers for 3-4 hours of shuttle work and use something contractually compliant instead
     
  4. That question is too general. I would need to see real specific language in the contract protecting what we now define a full-time driver, so full-time driving jobs as we know them don't disappear! So, add that option and I would vote yes!
     
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  5. km3

    km3 Well-Known Member

    No tiers. Driving is driving and ought to be paid at the same rate.
     
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  6. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Yep. Would just be more contract complication for the Company to exploit.

    Can definitely see this side of it. Also as replacements for the 2-3 hour bid air driver slots. Especially PM air.
     
  7. silenze

    silenze Lunch is the best part of the day

    This does not create any jobs. It only changes existing jobs to a lower pay rate.
     
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  8. AlliSeeisBrown

    AlliSeeisBrown Active Member

    It would have to be fine tuned, but I could see the positives. With the "on-time network" changes around here. PM Air drivers are only getting 3 hours of work. Technically 3.5 with the guarantee. Used to be getting roughly 4.75-5.
     
  9. TearsInRain

    TearsInRain IE boogeyman

    it's not entirely the rate, it's the 8hr guarantee that trips up a lot of things
     
  10. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Where I am the bid air driver guarantee is 3 hours if I remember correctly. PT sorts 3.5.
     
  11. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Well-Known Member

    lol. I like that term, "word-jitsu"

    But I think UPS is the only one that ever benefits from complicated contract language. The union benefits best from simple and straight-forward clauses in the contract. Contract language that is complex always gets "interpreted" by UPS to UPS's advantage.

    Easy solution is to make full time jobs either driving-only or inside-only, no combining of the two, leave the air driving to part timers, and no complex language that can be exploited by UPS. If you give UPS a millimeter of wiggle room in contract language, they will "interpret" it into a mile.
     
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  12. Don't ask me.
     
  13. TearsInRain

    TearsInRain IE boogeyman

    okay then let PT drivers be able to deliver ground work up to a 4hr paid day and if they crack that they get FT top pay for the whole day
     
  14. wide load

    wide load Starting wage is a waste of time.

    If you think this is why they are creating combo drivers, you’re clueless
     
  15. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Well-Known Member

    if a PT driver does ground work, they get top driver rate all day plus an 8 hr guarantee. thats already in the contract. It basically equates to promoting a PT driver to a FT driver for one day of work
     
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  16. wide load

    wide load Starting wage is a waste of time.

    Or not
     
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  17. wide load

    wide load Starting wage is a waste of time.

    Are you excited about delivering come August?
     
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  18. MyTripisCut

    MyTripisCut Dumpster, INABAG

    Your trying to break the rules already, and for what? Even if these new jobs were created, you’d only have new rules handed down to you that you would try to break in search of the perfect unattainable corporate numbers that we all choke on.
     
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  19. TearsInRain

    TearsInRain IE boogeyman

    yes i’m aware of the current setup i’m saying it sucks

    the current setup doesn’t make sense

    it’s just the teamsters and UPS trying to :censored2: each other

    maybe if some of the proposals made business sense, you wouldn’t see as much :censored2:ery
     
  20. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    If you believe this, you've been in IE too long.