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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AwashBwashCwash" data-source="post: 5194761" data-attributes="member: 73305">You can't be serious.In 2012-13 Ukraine's government made a series of reforms to help them get closer to EU membership. Russia responded by restricting trade with Ukraine, and offered Ukraine huge loans in exchange for orienting their economy back toward Russia. Ukraine did this, and then the protests started. These protests were heavily backed by the US (Victoria Nuland was the main operator, and there are recordings of her arranging the post-coup puppet government). The pro-Russian government fell and was replaced by Ukrainian nationalists. Ethnic Russians in the east of the country didn't accept the violent overthrow of the democratically elected president, and barricaded their cities and towns and declared independence. The Ukrainian govt sent militias (Azov, Pravij Sektor, etc) to crush the rebellion. They were quite successful until Russia intervened by invading south of Donetsk, opening up another front, The Ukrainians were defeated and withdrew. Meanwhile, Crimea (which is 90% ethnic Russian) voted to rejoin Russia, which protected Sevastopol, the Russian naval base in the Mediterranean. All this was back when Joe Biden was the Vice President and his son was smoking crack, sitting on the board of a Ukrainian gas company making $100k/month. The front lines have been static since then, with occasional shelling. The Ukrainian govt could stop all this by implementing the Minsk agreement with the separatists, and staying neutral to accommodate Russia's security concerns... but then the US military-industrial complex would lose out on a profitable market.Ukraine in NATO poses a valid security risk for Russia.Just like Soviet missiles in Cuba posed a threat to the United States during the 1960s. (Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis, etc.)I don't know how anyone can intelligently look at the situation and say that Putin is wrong for doing what he's doing. Because if Mexico and China created an alliance overnight and China started setting up offensive military equipment and troops across the Rio Grande, you can bet your ass that the United States would intervene and put an end to it.The U.S. is aggressively encircling Russia and China, toppling governments and setting up phony regimes left and right and now it's finally starting to catch up and Russia is putting their foot down. China will be next.Here is the cold hard truth - the US government is beholden to war profiteers who have an MO of destabilizing foreign governments, using the CIA to spark color revolutions, and replacing them with American puppet regimes that can be more easily controlled. It's quite literally terrorism and economic imperialism. The US are the bad guys and have been since before you were even born.</blockquote>

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