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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5194856" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>The &quot;violent&quot; overthrow?&nbsp; Putin put in a puppet leader and the Ukrainians literally came out in the millions and demanded he resign.&nbsp; How many died in the overthrow?&nbsp; They were fighting Russian separatists before 2014.&nbsp; Putin came in 2014 to assist the seperatists.&nbsp; You seem to think that&#039;s his right to dominate a sovereign nation.&nbsp; It&#039;s what Ukrainians want, not Russians or the U.S., that matters.&nbsp; The majority want by far to be part of the EU and NATO.&nbsp; And the majority in Crimea wanting to be part of Russia?&nbsp; 65% of Crimeans are ethnic Russian.&nbsp; Another 12% are Tatars.&nbsp; As far as I&#039;m concerned if Putin wants the Donbas and Crimea and a land bridge in between let him carve that off and leave.&nbsp; He wants all of it, wants to dominate Ukrainians who dared defy him, is willing to kill millions if necessary to achieve that.&nbsp; You seem to think that&#039;s perfectly acceptable.&nbsp; And your analogy about China in Mexico doesn&#039;t hold up under scrutiny.&nbsp; The Russians were trying to put nukes in Cuba to destroy the U.S.&nbsp; NATO does not have nukes or a large buildup of troops in Eastern Europe.&nbsp; It&#039;s about their protection from Russia, not aggression towards Russia.&nbsp; Mexico, Canada or anywhere else in the Western Hemisphere does not need China or Russia protecting them from the U.S.&nbsp; The Bay of Pigs was about Cuban nationals trying to retake their country with the help of the U.S. which failed miserably.&nbsp; The U.S. could&#039;ve sent in their military at any time over the last 60 years but hasn&#039;t.&nbsp; Yeah, we&#039;ve meddled in politics of many countries over the years.&nbsp; We were in a cold war with the Soviet Union and were trying to keep out the communists.&nbsp; Are you a communist sympathizer?&nbsp; Serious question.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 5194856, member: 24302"] The "violent" overthrow? Putin put in a puppet leader and the Ukrainians literally came out in the millions and demanded he resign. How many died in the overthrow? They were fighting Russian separatists before 2014. Putin came in 2014 to assist the seperatists. You seem to think that's his right to dominate a sovereign nation. It's what Ukrainians want, not Russians or the U.S., that matters. The majority want by far to be part of the EU and NATO. And the majority in Crimea wanting to be part of Russia? 65% of Crimeans are ethnic Russian. Another 12% are Tatars. As far as I'm concerned if Putin wants the Donbas and Crimea and a land bridge in between let him carve that off and leave. He wants all of it, wants to dominate Ukrainians who dared defy him, is willing to kill millions if necessary to achieve that. You seem to think that's perfectly acceptable. And your analogy about China in Mexico doesn't hold up under scrutiny. The Russians were trying to put nukes in Cuba to destroy the U.S. NATO does not have nukes or a large buildup of troops in Eastern Europe. It's about their protection from Russia, not aggression towards Russia. Mexico, Canada or anywhere else in the Western Hemisphere does not need China or Russia protecting them from the U.S. The Bay of Pigs was about Cuban nationals trying to retake their country with the help of the U.S. which failed miserably. The U.S. could've sent in their military at any time over the last 60 years but hasn't. Yeah, we've meddled in politics of many countries over the years. We were in a cold war with the Soviet Union and were trying to keep out the communists. Are you a communist sympathizer? Serious question. [/QUOTE]

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