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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 5203918" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>The Ukrainians were fighting rebels in the Donbas.&nbsp; Where was the stream of refugees into Russia?&nbsp; Again, you talked of the U.S. doing the same as the Russians indiscriminately shelling civilian neighborhoods.&nbsp; Civilians died, they always do.&nbsp; But where was the mass displacement of refugees due to attacking the civilian population like in Ukraine?&nbsp; Guys like you make these statements then when you can&#039;t back them up you get personal.&nbsp; I&#039;m asking you legitimate questions.&nbsp; If you can&#039;t answer and try to shut the questioning down with personal attacks how are you any different than those saying you support Putin if you don&#039;t go along with everything they&#039;re saying?&nbsp; One of the oldest sayings about war is the first casualty of war is the truth.&nbsp; Obviously the Ukrainians were trying to rally the troops and international support with propaganda.&nbsp; What someone here might not understand is they&#039;re used to doing that.&nbsp; Propaganda is normal there.&nbsp; What they might not understand is people in the West are turned off by the manipulation.&nbsp; All kinds of factors to consider.&nbsp; Everything isn&#039;t the same cookie cutter pattern around the world and our interpretation of events may be different than their perception.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 5203918, member: 24302"] The Ukrainians were fighting rebels in the Donbas. Where was the stream of refugees into Russia? Again, you talked of the U.S. doing the same as the Russians indiscriminately shelling civilian neighborhoods. Civilians died, they always do. But where was the mass displacement of refugees due to attacking the civilian population like in Ukraine? Guys like you make these statements then when you can't back them up you get personal. I'm asking you legitimate questions. If you can't answer and try to shut the questioning down with personal attacks how are you any different than those saying you support Putin if you don't go along with everything they're saying? One of the oldest sayings about war is the first casualty of war is the truth. Obviously the Ukrainians were trying to rally the troops and international support with propaganda. What someone here might not understand is they're used to doing that. Propaganda is normal there. What they might not understand is people in the West are turned off by the manipulation. All kinds of factors to consider. Everything isn't the same cookie cutter pattern around the world and our interpretation of events may be different than their perception. [/QUOTE]

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