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<blockquote data-quote="Fredless" data-source="post: 245824" data-attributes="member: 5197"><p>I guess theres time limits on the edits so more of my experiences:</p><p> </p><p><strong><u>Q6</u></strong>: I have just been given a "talk with" that management wrote in my file. Can I grieve this because its bullcrap? I didn't sign it either, because my steward was informed enough to tell me <u><em><strong>I don't have to sign ANYTHING!</strong></em></u> The steward just signed it to ACKNOWLEDGE it. Think of this a traffic ticket, the steward just signs to acknowedge that him/her was there with you during the meeting with management. This doesn't mean that you agree with it, this is why <strong><u>you </u></strong>refuse to sign.</p><p> </p><p><strong><u>A6</u></strong>: No, you cannot grieve a talk with. However, if you feel its for something valid, like they wrote you up for miss-loads and you've not been trained properly, or someone else snatched your scanner because you were a <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" /> and left it sitting while you went to take a dump, and used it - write a letter of protest to your business agent at your local union that deals with UPS. WRITE THIS LETTER AND GIVE IT OR MAIL IT TO THE LOCAL UNION ASAP! <u><strong>WITHIN 10 DAYS!</strong></u></p><p> </p><p>For example:</p><p> </p><p>To whom it may concern:</p><p> </p><p>On (DATE) I was given a talk with by (whoever was present) for missloads. I feel this is unfair because (reasons why in your defense, not trained right, i forgot my scanner etc etc.)</p><p> </p><p>Sincerely,</p><p> </p><p>John or Sally Teamster</p><p> </p><p>What this does, if it escalates, to a suspension or termination level gives the steward and/or business agent ammunition to fight for your cause. If you don't write a letter of protest, the company takes the posistion that you agree with whatever they're accusing you of.</p><p> </p><p><strong><u>Q7</u></strong>:The company continues to write me up for being late and or calling out sick (unexcused abscence folks unless you have a doctors note/jury duty or some other VERY VALID reason why you called in). Now they issued me a warning letter. Can I grieve this?</p><p> </p><p><strong><u>A7:</u></strong> Once again, no you cannot. Write a letter of protest like you would for the talk with. However, this a WRITTEN warning and is much more serious than a simple talk with. DEFINITELY write a letter of protest on why you DISAGREE with the warning letter to the local union. And for god sakes, COME TO WORK ON TIME. 1 minute late is LATE. Technically, if no supervisors are working, they can say "hey mr. lateass, we don't need you today. go home."</p><p> </p><p>Seniority AND the 3.5 hour gurantee is also out the window if you come to work late. PLEASE, be punctual. If there is one thing thats very very hard for the union to get you off the hook with, its attendance/punctuality issues and work place violence. COME TO FREAKING WORK AND BE ON FREAKING TIME. SHIFT STARTS, YOU ARE TO BE THERE ON TIME! UPS does NOT care about your other job that may make you late, that is NO excuse. If you don't agree to this, <strong><u>SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE.</u></strong> I don't mean to sound harsh, but thats how it is. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT.</p><p> </p><p><strong><u>Q8:</u></strong> Well, I've just had car trouble still and my day job keeps holding me up and now the company is going to suspend me..what do I do?</p><p> </p><p><strong><u>A8:</u></strong> Good going. Pat yourself on the back. No really, GRIEVE THIS WITHIN 10 DAYS. In fact, do it immediately and give it to your steward that end of shift or the next day. I cannot stress this enough, if you don't grieve a suspension in a timely matter (10 BUSINESS DAYS), there is NOTHING the union will do. The company will motion that it is an untimely grieveance and that will be the end of that. No POSSIBLY getting your pay back at time and a half for the days you were suspended, AND this stays on your record for 9 MONTHS now because you were to lazy to get around to filing the grieveance.</p><p> </p><p>Write in there VERY basically: On (date) I was issued an intent to suspend.</p><p> </p><p>Remedy saught: To not be suspended and to be paid time and a half for all hours missed that are caused by this suspension.</p><p> </p><p>Thats it. Plain and simple, don't cry on the front of the grievance, save your tears for your steward, we are here for you.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/crying.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":crying:" title="Crying :crying:" data-shortname=":crying:" /></p><p> </p><p><strong><u>Q9:</u></strong> Mr.Steward, I just can't seem to learn and I still have bad excuses on why I can't come to work at all or on time. They're going to fire me!</p><p> </p><p><strong><u>A9:</u></strong> GRIEVE WITHIN 10 days or you WILL LOSE YOUR JOB. In fact, do it the next day! Follow the same guidelines as above, be very blunt. I was issued blah blah..remedy - TO NOT BE TERMINATED, TO BE REINSTATED IN FULL AND TO BE MADE WHOLE IN EVERYWAY. TO BE PAID TIME AND A HALF FOR ALL HOURS MISSED DUE TO TERMINATION.</p><p> </p><p>Why the extra about "whole in everyway?" Sometimes an arbitrator will read the case "as written for remedy saught." Ok, fine says UPS. This guy has his job back, but mmm we don't feel like giving his health benefits back until another 8.5 weeks.</p><p> </p><p>Class time again. I will have more in the near future as I go through my files. Hope you newbies are reading this.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fredless, post: 245824, member: 5197"] I guess theres time limits on the edits so more of my experiences: [B][U]Q6[/U][/B]: I have just been given a "talk with" that management wrote in my file. Can I grieve this because its bullcrap? I didn't sign it either, because my steward was informed enough to tell me [U][I][B]I don't have to sign ANYTHING![/B][/I][/U] The steward just signed it to ACKNOWLEDGE it. Think of this a traffic ticket, the steward just signs to acknowedge that him/her was there with you during the meeting with management. This doesn't mean that you agree with it, this is why [B][U]you [/U][/B]refuse to sign. [B][U]A6[/U][/B]: No, you cannot grieve a talk with. However, if you feel its for something valid, like they wrote you up for miss-loads and you've not been trained properly, or someone else snatched your scanner because you were a :censored: and left it sitting while you went to take a dump, and used it - write a letter of protest to your business agent at your local union that deals with UPS. WRITE THIS LETTER AND GIVE IT OR MAIL IT TO THE LOCAL UNION ASAP! [U][B]WITHIN 10 DAYS![/B][/U] For example: To whom it may concern: On (DATE) I was given a talk with by (whoever was present) for missloads. I feel this is unfair because (reasons why in your defense, not trained right, i forgot my scanner etc etc.) Sincerely, John or Sally Teamster What this does, if it escalates, to a suspension or termination level gives the steward and/or business agent ammunition to fight for your cause. If you don't write a letter of protest, the company takes the posistion that you agree with whatever they're accusing you of. [B][U]Q7[/U][/B]:The company continues to write me up for being late and or calling out sick (unexcused abscence folks unless you have a doctors note/jury duty or some other VERY VALID reason why you called in). Now they issued me a warning letter. Can I grieve this? [B][U]A7:[/U][/B] Once again, no you cannot. Write a letter of protest like you would for the talk with. However, this a WRITTEN warning and is much more serious than a simple talk with. DEFINITELY write a letter of protest on why you DISAGREE with the warning letter to the local union. And for god sakes, COME TO WORK ON TIME. 1 minute late is LATE. Technically, if no supervisors are working, they can say "hey mr. lateass, we don't need you today. go home." Seniority AND the 3.5 hour gurantee is also out the window if you come to work late. PLEASE, be punctual. If there is one thing thats very very hard for the union to get you off the hook with, its attendance/punctuality issues and work place violence. COME TO FREAKING WORK AND BE ON FREAKING TIME. SHIFT STARTS, YOU ARE TO BE THERE ON TIME! UPS does NOT care about your other job that may make you late, that is NO excuse. If you don't agree to this, [B][U]SEEK EMPLOYMENT ELSEWHERE.[/U][/B] I don't mean to sound harsh, but thats how it is. TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT. [B][U]Q8:[/U][/B] Well, I've just had car trouble still and my day job keeps holding me up and now the company is going to suspend me..what do I do? [B][U]A8:[/U][/B] Good going. Pat yourself on the back. No really, GRIEVE THIS WITHIN 10 DAYS. In fact, do it immediately and give it to your steward that end of shift or the next day. I cannot stress this enough, if you don't grieve a suspension in a timely matter (10 BUSINESS DAYS), there is NOTHING the union will do. The company will motion that it is an untimely grieveance and that will be the end of that. No POSSIBLY getting your pay back at time and a half for the days you were suspended, AND this stays on your record for 9 MONTHS now because you were to lazy to get around to filing the grieveance. Write in there VERY basically: On (date) I was issued an intent to suspend. Remedy saught: To not be suspended and to be paid time and a half for all hours missed that are caused by this suspension. Thats it. Plain and simple, don't cry on the front of the grievance, save your tears for your steward, we are here for you.:crying: [B][U]Q9:[/U][/B] Mr.Steward, I just can't seem to learn and I still have bad excuses on why I can't come to work at all or on time. They're going to fire me! [B][U]A9:[/U][/B] GRIEVE WITHIN 10 days or you WILL LOSE YOUR JOB. In fact, do it the next day! Follow the same guidelines as above, be very blunt. I was issued blah blah..remedy - TO NOT BE TERMINATED, TO BE REINSTATED IN FULL AND TO BE MADE WHOLE IN EVERYWAY. TO BE PAID TIME AND A HALF FOR ALL HOURS MISSED DUE TO TERMINATION. Why the extra about "whole in everyway?" Sometimes an arbitrator will read the case "as written for remedy saught." Ok, fine says UPS. This guy has his job back, but mmm we don't feel like giving his health benefits back until another 8.5 weeks. Class time again. I will have more in the near future as I go through my files. Hope you newbies are reading this. [/QUOTE]
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