Anybody watch this? And if you did what is your reaction? Personally i was looking for obrien to have an easy win but i dont think so now, Vairma had valid points.
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Prob either V or H?I don't know who started that thread but some one should buy him a beer!
Prob either V or H?
I got an email yesterday supporting V and it was more nitpicking about O. No substance. It called the TU slate OZ//TDU. Evidently the subliminal dividing is what V is incorporating while accusing O of that himself. Although I'm not a TDUer they exist because of disgruntled membership over the years. Looks like the pot is calling the kettle black.
In addition, V attacked the Vote No movement just like other (non UPS) BAs did. We never heard of that in 2013 until TeamCare was being forced down our throat. Where was the disconnect? Trust. It has been lacking for years. We never got ANY info about TeamCare until well after the first vote (not to mention that two whole regions were allowed to vote on our healthcare but they weren't subject to having it themselves) and information was left out such as the one punch per week vs one punch a month. What did that all precipitate? More distrust.
V pounds on UPSers, blaming us for the dissention amongst the rank and file but it's the crap that got forced down UPSers throats the last contract that poured more fuel on the fire. Every 22.4 driver needs to remember that when it's time to vote because the company is raking in major profits, the bonuses have been big for non-union employees and the stock price has more than doubled since March of 2020 all primarily benefiting the management not the blue collar workers working in 150° trucks and trailers and at risk of Covid every day they're on the street.
V says that O's "chest bumping" style is wrong. I believe that shows how out of touch he is in the work environment UPSers endure every day. Maybe he needs to get into a package car for a few months during the summer and deliver what UPSers have to handle (by hand, not palletized) and he'll lose a few pounds and gain some respect.
He said he got Sysco a good CBA? I talked with a Sysco driver who was truly aggravated about them caving in to the concession of discipline for distracted driving when they allowed cameras in the cabs a few years back. UPS drivers need to take note and research who they think will fight against technology that will unduly discipline a driver. Every disciplinary concession will slowly increase the fear factor in the already stressful environment members endure and it looks like V isn't concerned about that as much.
I hope every minority black, Hispanic, and female member remembers that you are "token" people in Vairma's eyes unless you are on his slate. That is his current mindset according to the debate, not old news, and that was a very telling statement.
This is my opinion only from the debate I watched this morning. I respect the opinions of folks that like VH but humility and honesty means a lot to members who elect leadership and I didn't see those qualities in V. This election, imo is going to have a major effect on working conditions, disciplinary action, and pensions going forward. Choose wisely.
Seemed like O'Brien took the higher road more often. Mud slinging was not going to help the membership make decisions and I believe Vairma attacked Sean too often, claimed what he accomplished in Colorado over and over without giving any details, and successes in both camps should've been cited and then woven into how they would apply those successes into their leadership roles as GP.I was surprised that O’Brien did not attack Varima on his Hoffa endorsement, at least Vairma admitted that he was endorsed by the previous administration. I guess he had no other choice.
Both were nervous at first and the questions were not deep.
I agree. It seemed Vairma was slinging more mud than O'Brien. That's the problems with debates though. The topics never really seem to actually be discussed.Seemed like O'Brien took the higher road more often. Mud slinging was not going to help the membership make decisions and I believe Vairma attacked Sean too often.
Hoffa folks must go, our last 2 or 3 contracts were full of give backs. It's time we get a contract that benefits us. I'm with the Sean O Brian slate, NO more sleeping with company. UPS has the resources to make our work lives flow smoother we got to squeeze it out of em.
At times UPS feels like a Japanese "black company"Our new CEO, makes the same repeated statement " We UPS will deliver value to our shareholders" She authorized a 5 Billion dollar share buyback plan last quarter. If UPS can do that, UPS has the resources to make our work lives smoother and better and deliver value to it's employees. Our benefits and pay are some of the best, but our work conditions are some of the worst in the industry. The 9.5 language is a joke and this 2 teir work system is mostly Bull- could go on and on. We need STRONG representation, the New CEO needs a powerful welcome message, from our UNION.