UPS and Teamsters Discuss Two-Tier Wages, Sunday Deliveries---WSJ

[opie]

UPS and Teamsters Discuss Two-Tier Wages, Sunday Deliveries
Proposal for lower-paid ‘hybrid’ drivers to work weekends divides labor union during contract discussions.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

Drop the union. Only way to make sure were treated right. They need to wake up.

 

[Inthegame]

Drop the union. Only way to make sure were treated right. They need to wake up.

Yeah, that makes sense (not), until this settles in ..."The company, which has been spending heavily to automate its network to handle the surge in ecommerce parcels, has also been taking steps to curb employee costs, offering early buyouts to managers last month and freezing pension plans for 70,000 nonunion staffers last year."
How many of these 70,000 do you suppose got to vote on that concession?

 

[Staydryitsraining]

Yea hold on to that hope. 2 things need to be realized, drivers are bringing on our own demise by how much we get paid, the union is selling us down the river with no repercussions.

 

[Inthegame]

Yea hold on to that hope. 2 things need to be realized, drivers are bringing on our own demise by how much we get paid, the union is selling us down the river with no repercussions.

Two things I realize; you would prefer to get paid less and give UPS free reign. Glad you're not on any committee anywhere.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

Two things I realize; you would prefer to get paid less and give UPS free reign. Glad you're not on any committee anywhere.

I never said get paid less. Show where i said that anywhere. Also never said give them free reign. What did the union loose for the concessions in 2013? We cant keep getting raises, regardless of their profit. Im well aware of what would happen if we didnt have a union, however im also aware that they cant just keep selling us down the river and telling us to deal with it.

 

[How Now Brown Cow]

I was upset to hear that our local supports this two-tier wage.
They mentioned they understand that none of us want to work on the weekend, so let the company bring in new people at a lower rate to do it. How is that fair to the new guys?
I understand there is a need to work Saturdays and Sundays, but we should all be paid the same for doing the same work.
Hopefully they come up with some strong language to protect the number of m-friend jobs at the current pay structure, otherwise it's going to slowly fade away as people retire out of those positions.

 

[Non sequitur]

I don't ever want to hear complaints about class warfare when large corporations use media outlets to discuss hourly pay. Shame on you. This means the socialist will be embolden to question the whole system. Keep this stuff internal or make everyone show their cards (compensation) .

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I never said get paid less. Show where i said that anywhere. Also never said give them free reign. What did the union loose for the concessions in 2013? We cant keep getting raises, regardless of their profit. Im well aware of what would happen if we didnt have a union, however im also aware that they cant just keep selling us down the river and telling us to deal with it.

Inferior healthcare for some, longer progression.

Just keep looking at the hourly wages, that's what UPS wants you to do.

 

[opie]

I was upset to hear that our local supports this two-tier wage.
They mentioned they understand that none of us want to work on the weekend, so let the company bring in new people at a lower rate to do it. How is that fair to the new guys?
I understand there is a need to work Saturdays and Sundays, but we should all be paid the same for doing the same work.
Hopefully they come up with some strong language to protect the number of m-friend jobs at the current pay structure, otherwise it's going to slowly fade away as people retire out of those positions.

Are you in 177? They said the same thing. Needs to be very restrictive and limits to how many they can hire. Need to be paid ground rate also. Even then, I don't think I could support it.

 

[BrownFlush]

Drop the union. Only way to make sure were treated right. They need to wake up.

Why should anyone even question if the contract will pass with members posting this kind of .

 

[Inthegame]

I never said get paid less. Show where i said that anywhere. Also never said give them free reign. What did the union loose for the concessions in 2013? We cant keep getting raises, regardless of their profit. Im well aware of what would happen if we didnt have a union, however im also aware that they cant just keep selling us down the river and telling us to deal with it.

You're arguing both sides. On the one hand you're concerned with wages bringing on our demise so obviously paring wages would strengthen our position vs the competition.
So you recognize and are sympathetic to UPS's rising costs but yet the IBT is selling you down a river somewhere by addressing those concerns in negotiations.
Pick your side partner, it can't be both ways.
Either they have enough coin to pony up or they don't.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

Lol do you hear yourselves? It needs to be restrictive, need strong language? Um it shouldn't happen. Thats like saying we should pay alittle for our healthcare. All that is, is a way in that will be exploited one or two contract cycles down the road.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

You're arguing both sides. On the one hand you're concerned with wages bringing on our demise so obviously paring wages would strengthen our position vs the competition.
So you recognize and are sympathetic to UPS's rising costs but yet the IBT is selling you down a river somewhere by addressing those concerns in negotiations.
Pick your side partner, it can't be both ways.
Either they have enough coin to pony up or they don't.

Negative. What i was saying was our pay at some point needs to be frozen with a progression. We cant keep getting raises and expecting free healthcare, its unrealistic.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

Why should anyone even question if the contract will pass with members posting this kind of .

Paying anything for healthcare and creating a new scale for any kind of delivering will be met with a no vote.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

Yeah, that makes sense (not), until this settles in ..."The company, which has been spending heavily to automate its network to handle the surge in ecommerce parcels, has also been taking steps to curb employee costs, offering early buyouts to managers last month and freezing pension plans for 70,000 nonunion staffers last year."
How many of these 70,000 do you suppose got to vote on that concession?

They sealed their fate when they put the polo on.

 

[BrownFlush]

Paying anything for healthcare and creating a new scale for any kind of delivering will be met with a no vote.

No doubt about it. History proves it. Only way workers get treated right is when they drop the union.

Paying anything for healthcare and creating a new scale for any kind of delivering will be met with a no vote.

Not enough of them if drivers have your mindset.

 

[PT Car Washer]

Paying anything for healthcare and creating a new scale for any kind of delivering will be met with a no vote.

There already is a lower pay scale for delivering packages. Read Art 40.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

No doubt about it. History proves it. Only way workers get treated right is when they drop the union.

Not enough of them if drivers have your mindset.

And what is your proposal for combating concessions and not accepting the jokes leading this union off a cliff?

 

[How Now Brown Cow]

Lol do you hear yourselves? It needs to be restrictive, need strong language? Um it shouldn't happen. Thats like saying we should pay alittle for our healthcare. All that is, is a way in that will be exploited one or two contract cycles down the road.

You're right, it shouldn't happen. But I would guess it's likely to happen if the union is backing it telling people to vote Yes. I will vote no and talk to as many people as I can to convince him to vote no, but it doesn't look good.