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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 3685282" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>What he was stating was speculation as to the reason why the contract was taking so long to complete. Most people who read posts like this understand that. He offered this to support his claim.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>But it is still just speculation.</p><p></p><p>When someone else pointed out that he was speculating, you answered with:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>That's what I took issue with. You are stating that he is lying, and I explained that he was being truthful about what he thinks the reasons for the delay are. He may be wrong, but that doesn't make him a liar.</p><p></p><p>Can you answer his question? Why else did they take so long to put together a contract to vote on? Do you have some speculation of your own that you believe to be more correct than his speculation? Or do you have concrete evidence that demonstrates the real reason the contract negotiations were not completed on time?</p><p></p><p>Here's an example of speculation of an alternative reason that answers the OP's question:</p><p></p><p>The delay tactic is one that UPS has used successfully in the past. UPS doesn't require the union's cooperation to draw out negotiations as long as possible. So it could be that the union was trying to keep everything on track, even taking a strike authorization vote, but couldn't get the company to stop dragging its heels.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 3685282, member: 63706"] What he was stating was speculation as to the reason why the contract was taking so long to complete. Most people who read posts like this understand that. He offered this to support his claim. But it is still just speculation. When someone else pointed out that he was speculating, you answered with: That's what I took issue with. You are stating that he is lying, and I explained that he was being truthful about what he thinks the reasons for the delay are. He may be wrong, but that doesn't make him a liar. Can you answer his question? Why else did they take so long to put together a contract to vote on? Do you have some speculation of your own that you believe to be more correct than his speculation? Or do you have concrete evidence that demonstrates the real reason the contract negotiations were not completed on time? Here's an example of speculation of an alternative reason that answers the OP's question: The delay tactic is one that UPS has used successfully in the past. UPS doesn't require the union's cooperation to draw out negotiations as long as possible. So it could be that the union was trying to keep everything on track, even taking a strike authorization vote, but couldn't get the company to stop dragging its heels. [/QUOTE]
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