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<blockquote data-quote="705red" data-source="post: 374119" data-attributes="member: 5229"><p>705red, there are more than 2 sides to this situation. I'm not in management and I'm not siding with the union or management. I'm siding with the workers and their families. The union only seems to be interested in grandstanding, making threats and promoting the union vs management mentality. That isn't in the best interest of the workers in this kind of economy. It's just the posturing that the union does to drum up anti management sentiment. </p><p> </p><p>I will be the first one to admit that the company and the union dont get along and see eye to eye on alot. And this i am grateful for as many are. We are now represented according to the good book (contract). No favortism, just contract language, did he/she violate and deserve discipline. The company cant believe that the union will not make an example of someone. If the employee is wrong they are wrong i will agree but does it deserve termination, NO.</p><p> </p><p>If ups would honor the contract we would not have the dislike that is present. Many of you would like to get along just to get along. How many people have you seen fired for something silly and then come to find out they lost at panel? That doesnt happen here. </p><p> </p><p>How many of you have been wronged? File a grievance for senioirty and then find out it was deadlocked and wont be arbitrated because its only $60. We will arbitrate this because it was a contract violation, call it a gamble but a member was wronged and should be made whole.</p><p> </p><p>Ups here in chicago will drag there feet on everything. All we the members want is a fair contract nothing more nothing less. Ups raised their rates in january by 3% but then offer us less than 1%, its insulting as a upser who services his customers to the bset of his ability everyday.</p><p> </p><p>As a steward i have seen a driver get fired because a senior driver had a heart attack and blew through a stop sign and hit the ups driver. At panel ups labor manager pointed at him and said "you murdered that man". Then deadlocked his case to arbitration. This guy wasnt feeling bad enough? Only to wiggle his job in front of his face before arbitration without back pay. Of course he took his job back, but he should have held out and gotten back pay.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>I have seen a driver get fired for wearing a cubs shirt on route during cubs/sox weekend. Was it stupid, yes is it a firing offense no. Hes back to work with all pay.</p><p> </p><p>I have a sorter out now because he called an unloader a <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/group1/censored2.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":censored2:" title="Censored2 :censored2:" data-shortname=":censored2:" />. Again not the smartest of moves and does require progressive discipline not termination.</p><p> </p><p>I had a woman driver fired because she said she couldnt wait to get into the hot tub when she got home at a dock stop. Took her 5 months to get her job back.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Had a 35 year driver get fired because he stopped at his house on route at the end of his day to eat dinner before he brought the truck back. 20 to 40 minutes a day, the company fired him for stealing time. Because he was not documenting his lunch. This case is still in arbitration. At this time we did not document our lunches, ups was deducting 1 hour out everyday for lunch, so it seems like ups owes this driver 20 to 40 minutes of pay because he never exceeded the 1 hour. How is really stealing from who here? </p><p> </p><p>These are just a few cases to show you that ups does not honor the contract and the union will not allow the members to be punished unless the contract calls for it.</p><p> </p><p>If ups would negotiate seriously none of this would be called for.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="705red, post: 374119, member: 5229"] 705red, there are more than 2 sides to this situation. I'm not in management and I'm not siding with the union or management. I'm siding with the workers and their families. The union only seems to be interested in grandstanding, making threats and promoting the union vs management mentality. That isn't in the best interest of the workers in this kind of economy. It's just the posturing that the union does to drum up anti management sentiment. I will be the first one to admit that the company and the union dont get along and see eye to eye on alot. And this i am grateful for as many are. We are now represented according to the good book (contract). No favortism, just contract language, did he/she violate and deserve discipline. The company cant believe that the union will not make an example of someone. If the employee is wrong they are wrong i will agree but does it deserve termination, NO. If ups would honor the contract we would not have the dislike that is present. Many of you would like to get along just to get along. How many people have you seen fired for something silly and then come to find out they lost at panel? That doesnt happen here. How many of you have been wronged? File a grievance for senioirty and then find out it was deadlocked and wont be arbitrated because its only $60. We will arbitrate this because it was a contract violation, call it a gamble but a member was wronged and should be made whole. Ups here in chicago will drag there feet on everything. All we the members want is a fair contract nothing more nothing less. Ups raised their rates in january by 3% but then offer us less than 1%, its insulting as a upser who services his customers to the bset of his ability everyday. As a steward i have seen a driver get fired because a senior driver had a heart attack and blew through a stop sign and hit the ups driver. At panel ups labor manager pointed at him and said "you murdered that man". Then deadlocked his case to arbitration. This guy wasnt feeling bad enough? Only to wiggle his job in front of his face before arbitration without back pay. Of course he took his job back, but he should have held out and gotten back pay. I have seen a driver get fired for wearing a cubs shirt on route during cubs/sox weekend. Was it stupid, yes is it a firing offense no. Hes back to work with all pay. I have a sorter out now because he called an unloader a :censored:. Again not the smartest of moves and does require progressive discipline not termination. I had a woman driver fired because she said she couldnt wait to get into the hot tub when she got home at a dock stop. Took her 5 months to get her job back. Had a 35 year driver get fired because he stopped at his house on route at the end of his day to eat dinner before he brought the truck back. 20 to 40 minutes a day, the company fired him for stealing time. Because he was not documenting his lunch. This case is still in arbitration. At this time we did not document our lunches, ups was deducting 1 hour out everyday for lunch, so it seems like ups owes this driver 20 to 40 minutes of pay because he never exceeded the 1 hour. How is really stealing from who here? These are just a few cases to show you that ups does not honor the contract and the union will not allow the members to be punished unless the contract calls for it. If ups would negotiate seriously none of this would be called for. [/QUOTE]
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