UPS Drivers Be Aware!

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by wkmac, Aug 28, 2009.

  1. wkmac

    wkmac Well-Known Member

    6 Cities That Were Caught Shortening Yellow Light Times For Profit

    In these economic times where local govt's find themselves short of available cash, anything is possible. Don't wanna see any of you guys become the prey!

    Be safe!
  2. JimJimmyJames

    JimJimmyJames Big Time Feeder Driver

    I believe there is pilot program in NJ to test these insidious devices. If they become common place, yellow will mean red to me.

    I hope people are traveling 4 to 6 or 6 to 8 seconds behind me :wink2:.
  3. Brown Rocket

    Brown Rocket Member

    A driver down here in South Florida got hit with a 125 dollar fine for turning right on red without stopping. They sent it to Hialieah (which is the address our package cars are registered tp) and then here to our center. By the time the ticket finally reached him he had one day to pay it. It was funny because he was layed off, ran a route for coverage and then went back to being layed off and hadn't drove in 3 weeks when they told him about it.
  4. upssalesguy

    upssalesguy UPS Defender

    i'll post the cities if you won't.

    1) Chattanooga, Tennessee
    The city of Chattanooga was forced refund $8800 in red light cameras tickets issued to motorists trapped by an illegally short yellow time. The refund only occurred after a motorist challenged his citation by insisting that the yellow light time of 3.0 seconds was too short. LaserCraft, the private vendor that runs the camera program in return for a cut of the profits, provided the judge with a computer database that asserted the yellow was 3.8 seconds at that location.
    The judge then personally checked the intersection in question was timed at three seconds while other nearby locations had about four seconds of yellow warning. City traffic engineer John Van Winkle told Bean that “a mix up with the turn arrow” was responsible and that the bare minimum for the light should be 3.9 seconds.

    2) Dallas, Texas

    An investigation by KDFW-TV, a local TV station, found that of the ten cameras that issued the greatest number of tickets in the city, seven were located at intersections where the yellow duration is shorter than the bare minimum recommended by the Texas Department of Transportation (TxDOT).
    The city’s second highest revenue producing camera, for example, was located at the intersection of Greenville Avenue and Mockingbird Lane. It issued 9407 tickets worth $705,525 between January 1 and August 31, 2007. At the intersections on Greenville Avenue leading up to the camera intersection, however, yellows are at least 3.5 or 4.0 seconds in duration, but the ticket-producing intersection’s yellow stands at just 3.15 seconds. That is 0.35 seconds shorter than TxDOT’s recommended bare minimum. Dallas likewise installed the cameras at locations with existing short yellow times. A total of twenty-one camera intersections in Dallas had yellow times below TxDOT’s bare minimum recommended amount.
    The ticket camera program in Dallas made the news recently for shutting down some of its cameras because they were no longer profitable.

    3) Springfield, Missouri

    The city of Springfield, Missouri prepared for the installation of a red light camera system in 2007 by slashing the yellow warning time by one second at 105 state-owned intersection signals across the city.
    The city defended its effort to the Springfield News-Leader by claiming it was “standardizing” and had increased the yellow time at 136 city-operated lights to meet national standards. During the city council meeting last October where the red light camera ordinance was approved, however, Assistant Director of Public Works Earl Newman gave a different explanation for the reduction. Newman said he was, “concerned that many individuals run the light if the light remained yellow too long.”

    4) Lubbock, Texas

    KBCD, a local television station, exposed the city’s short timing of yellow lights at eight of the twelve intersections where the devices were to be installed.
    Prior to the news investigation, Lubbock City Engineer Jere Hart assured city council members that he would not increase yellow times. According to the city council’s traffic commission minutes of September 19, 2006, Jere said, “if [the red light camera program is] implemented, the public would prefer to have an increased amber cycle,” but he stated that, “the program will not adjust the amber/yellow time.”
    Shortly after the investigation became public, red-light cameras were installed in Lubbock. However, after they proved to be both unprofitable (due in part to a new state law giving 50% of the ticket camera profit to the state) and unsafe (accidents increased where the cameras were installed), they were taken down.

    5)Nashville, Tennessee

    Even without red light cameras, police in Nashville, Tennessee have been earning hundreds of thousands in revenue by trapping motorists in conventional ticket traps at city intersections with the shortest yellow warning time.
    In 2006, Nashville resident Joe Savage obtained the data on every red light running ticket issued on Broadway street since 2000. He said that yellow lights are longer at intersections along Broadway until the areas where police are issuing tickets. At those locations, Savage clocked the yellow signal time at less than 3 seconds, in violation of both state law and federal regulations. A local newspaper, The Nashville Scene, then confirmed his findings.

    6) Union City, California

    In 2005, Union City, California was caught trapping motorists with a yellow signal time 1.3 seconds below the minimum established by state law. As a result, the city was forced to refund more than $1 million in red light camera fines.
    The city’s violation came to light after Dave Goodson, an engineer, received a ticket and realized that he did not have sufficient time to stop before the light had turned red. As a result of his inquiries, Union City’s traffic engineers admitted that they had set the yellow signal time at Union City Boulevard and Lowry Road at 3 seconds, despite the state law mandating the time be 4.3 seconds or greater.
    Authorities said that the yellow was too short long before the cameras were installed, but that no effective system was in place to verify the timing of the traffic signals despite their direct impact on safety.
  5. slantnosechevy

    slantnosechevy Active Member

    All Good Kids Love Milk

    #7 of the 10 point commentary....Stale green lights: determine decisionpoint; safely stop or proceed.

    Use the methods we get paid by the hour.
  6. SmithBarney

    SmithBarney Well-Known Member

    Yellow is supposed to mean red(unless are right at the line, or just crossed it) unfortunately
    too many people think its ok to keep going..
    And you are right... I hope the people behind you realize whats happening.
  7. mattwtrs

    mattwtrs Retired Senior Member

    Around here yellow means give it the gas. I would like to see what is taught in drivers ed classes in High School. I don't think anyone knows about a stale green light except UPS drivers.
  8. Just Numbers

    Just Numbers Retired

    Red Light Cameras need to be eliminated and the laws repealed. Tickets should only be valid if handed to you by an officer of the law at the time of the incident. Installed in the name of safety but, profits are the only reason. :angry:
  9. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I thoroughly disagree. Law enforcement resources are strained and these cameras are a much more efficient means of ensuring compliance. Yes, they are a good source of revenue but if drivers followed the rules they would quickly become obsolete.
  10. some1else

    some1else Active Member

    i saw a few studies that show that red-light cameras increase the accident rate. (people slamming on brakes to avoid ticket then getting rear-ended)

    in my state regular mail is not a legal notice. a neighboring jurisdiction loves to mail red-light tickets, but until an officer hands it to me it is not a legal notice.
  11. Monkey Butt

    Monkey Butt Dark Prince of Double Standards Staff Member

    Definitely the universal trend but their claim is the rear-enders are not as serious as the intersection side-impact accidents.
    just another scheme for local government to collect revenue.

    BLACKBOX Life is a Highway...

    In our city, the Po-Po just started using a mobile radar van. They park it anywhere and let it do its thing. When you exceed the speed posted by more than 10 mph 2 flash lamps activate taking a photo of you and your vehicle.

    Just another revenue making project for the city.
  13. wornoutupser

    wornoutupser Well-Known Member

    Upstate, I have to disagree with you on this one.

    Two nights ago it was raining hard and I was well below the limit in an empty package car.
    I approached an empty intersection and I was off the gas as the light went yellow.
    I started to brake (gently) and immediately began to slide. In the dim lights of this particular car you could not see the caked oil on the road. I went off the brake and countersteered through the empty intersection as the light went red.

    Any traffic camera would have nailed me going sideways through the intersection if it was there, but any officer observing would have seen what happened. I did the safest thing in an empty area and kept the vehicle straight.

    The cameras in my area of Florida have already generated millions in tickets and are being fought hard in court. The smaller cities are installing them in the name of profit only.
  14. thelus

    thelus Package Car Whipping Boy

    sounds like the same situation with Telematics

    you could say the same thing about Telematics
  15. rod

    rod retired and happy

    Mpls- St. Paul got rid of their camera tickets. They were found in court to be illegal. (don't ask me why). They even gave refunds to those that had gotten tickets if they had held on to their paperwork.
  16. wornoutupser

    wornoutupser Well-Known Member

  17. 705red

    705red Browncafe Steward

    He didn't pay it did he? We have not had 1 driver pay these tickets around here. The truck received the ticket not the driver. Red light cameras are technology.
  18. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    You have got to be kidding me!! The driver knowingly broke a traffic law, was caught and now must pay for his inpatience. Yes, red light cameras are technology, but not the technology referred to in the contract, which is what I assume you are referring to in your reply.

    From what I have been told the clarity in these pictures is pretty good, showing not only the license plate but the person driving.

    Any objective person would be tell you that the driver is at fault and should be responsible for the fine.
  19. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    But UPS agreed in the contract that technology could not be used etc etc.
  20. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    This was not the technology that they were referring to.