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<blockquote data-quote="ok2bclever" data-source="post: 55383"><p>Meaningful insight usually goes out the window and stupid name calling accusations are normally the rule when you speak tie.</p><p></p><p>I truly get tired of you stating I am a liar every time you don't like the answers, so don't call me friend.</p><p></p><p>With friends like you I have no need of enemies.</p><p></p><p>Plus people will start questioning my tastes if they think you are a friend. </p><p></p><p>These stats that you have used before such as 80% of the major trucking company have gone out of business since '79, etc. got a source so some of us could verify it's accuracy.</p><p></p><p>Not calling you a liar on this, just would love to have verifiable facts.</p><p></p><p>Luckily, trucking is not the only Teamster industry as the trucking industry has taken such a hit in the last several decades and we have made significant gains elsewhere in such fields as medicine, but obviously not enough.</p><p></p><p>That said, the multi-employer funds are subsidized by companies contributing money per working employee, equally proportionally from my understanding.</p><p></p><p>UPS does <strong>NOT</strong> put in more than anyone else per employee.</p><p></p><p>They put in whatever was negotiated, <em>just like all the rest.</em></p><p></p><p>When a company goes out of business THE REMAINING contributing companies in the fund shoulder the increased burden proportional to their membership in the fund.</p><p></p><p>That is not a lie, it is the facts as I understand them.</p><p></p><p>If it is not accurate anyone feel free to correct it.</p><p></p><p>If true, then UPS doesn't "carry the fund" for the rest of the participants proportionally any more than any other contributing company. </p><p></p><p>It would be nice to have the actual facts rather than just a few slanted ones presented by a certain unreliable management person.</p><p></p><p>Several sources use the figure of 200,000 UPS Teamsters so that is probably relatively accurate.</p><p></p><p>The Teamster site states 1.4 million members.</p><p></p><p>Anyone know if that counts current workers, retired ones too or everyone that ever existed?</p><p></p><p>While I believe you are sincere feeders, I have serious doubts of so many of the statements on the website and even your initial posting.</p><p></p><p>For instance, "Recognized by both the Teamsters and UPS as competing for collect bargaining rights", I was at a State Panel mid week and asked both UPS management and top Teamster officials what they knew about APWA and to a person neither side had heard or knew a thing about it.</p><p></p><p>Now I trust these guys to various degrees, but all of them regarding whether they knew about APWA in one on one conversations.</p><p></p><p>That seems a bit ridiculous that not one of them knew anything if this new union was "recognized by both as a competitor for collect(ive) bargaining rights.</p><p></p><p>I am sure someone has brought it to Hoffa's attention just like anything TDU says is brought to his attention.</p><p></p><p>That doesn't mean much in itself though.</p><p></p><p>my2cents, while I have a high opinion of my knowledge and abilities within the scope of my duties as a steward and could certainly provide better and more accurate rhetoric than what I have seen so far from this group I also know my limitations and lack of "real knowledge and experience" in running a group that could adequately match up against/with UPS to provide us a more secure future and the fact that I could easily improve the ad copy I have read on the referred to website speaks volumes in my mind on how lacking it is in competency to actually do so.</p><p></p><p>Also, I see anyone spearheading a group trying to muscle in on UPS and the Teamsters as being a primary candidate to being blunted. </p><p></p><p>With 30 plus years of experience my enthusiasm for "leading the charging of the hill" has been tempered by the resulting casualties I have witnessed.</p><p></p><p>Sorry, but I will stay on the sidelines and cheer any waves this group makes for the Teamsters as the Teamsters are in need of some shaking up and competition.</p><p></p><p>If they actually end up both real and formidable I will be willing to act as support personnel. </p><p></p><p>PS - 20 to 25 years to go, I would have expected you to be considerably farther along by the maturity of your posts, my compliments my2cents.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ok2bclever, post: 55383"] Meaningful insight usually goes out the window and stupid name calling accusations are normally the rule when you speak tie. I truly get tired of you stating I am a liar every time you don't like the answers, so don't call me friend. With friends like you I have no need of enemies. Plus people will start questioning my tastes if they think you are a friend. These stats that you have used before such as 80% of the major trucking company have gone out of business since '79, etc. got a source so some of us could verify it's accuracy. Not calling you a liar on this, just would love to have verifiable facts. Luckily, trucking is not the only Teamster industry as the trucking industry has taken such a hit in the last several decades and we have made significant gains elsewhere in such fields as medicine, but obviously not enough. That said, the multi-employer funds are subsidized by companies contributing money per working employee, equally proportionally from my understanding. UPS does [B]NOT[/B] put in more than anyone else per employee. They put in whatever was negotiated, [I]just like all the rest.[/I] When a company goes out of business THE REMAINING contributing companies in the fund shoulder the increased burden proportional to their membership in the fund. That is not a lie, it is the facts as I understand them. If it is not accurate anyone feel free to correct it. If true, then UPS doesn't "carry the fund" for the rest of the participants proportionally any more than any other contributing company. It would be nice to have the actual facts rather than just a few slanted ones presented by a certain unreliable management person. Several sources use the figure of 200,000 UPS Teamsters so that is probably relatively accurate. The Teamster site states 1.4 million members. Anyone know if that counts current workers, retired ones too or everyone that ever existed? While I believe you are sincere feeders, I have serious doubts of so many of the statements on the website and even your initial posting. For instance, "Recognized by both the Teamsters and UPS as competing for collect bargaining rights", I was at a State Panel mid week and asked both UPS management and top Teamster officials what they knew about APWA and to a person neither side had heard or knew a thing about it. Now I trust these guys to various degrees, but all of them regarding whether they knew about APWA in one on one conversations. That seems a bit ridiculous that not one of them knew anything if this new union was "recognized by both as a competitor for collect(ive) bargaining rights. I am sure someone has brought it to Hoffa's attention just like anything TDU says is brought to his attention. That doesn't mean much in itself though. my2cents, while I have a high opinion of my knowledge and abilities within the scope of my duties as a steward and could certainly provide better and more accurate rhetoric than what I have seen so far from this group I also know my limitations and lack of "real knowledge and experience" in running a group that could adequately match up against/with UPS to provide us a more secure future and the fact that I could easily improve the ad copy I have read on the referred to website speaks volumes in my mind on how lacking it is in competency to actually do so. Also, I see anyone spearheading a group trying to muscle in on UPS and the Teamsters as being a primary candidate to being blunted. With 30 plus years of experience my enthusiasm for "leading the charging of the hill" has been tempered by the resulting casualties I have witnessed. Sorry, but I will stay on the sidelines and cheer any waves this group makes for the Teamsters as the Teamsters are in need of some shaking up and competition. If they actually end up both real and formidable I will be willing to act as support personnel. PS - 20 to 25 years to go, I would have expected you to be considerably farther along by the maturity of your posts, my compliments my2cents. [/QUOTE]
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