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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 333665" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Scratch,</p><p></p><p>You should be drawn and quartered!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>Had you not stepped in someone else would have so might as well get it over with!</p><p></p><p>That said and who am I to fight <span style="font-size: 18px">"DEMOCRACY" </span><span style="font-size: 10px">and the will of the people here!</span></p><p></p><p>Bush Ruined America,</p><p></p><p>I have to agree with Traveler that at least have the decency to register instead of hiding behind the "BUSHES" so to speak!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>You did however raise a extremely valid and surprisingly little known point about the events leading up to Iraq and it didn't help that Saddam tried to pull this rabbit out of his hat but IMO it really was an afterthought on his part. The assault to remove Saddam and install a US/Israeli controlled "democracy" was began as far back as the mid 1990's when Richard Perle under the commission of Institute of Advanced Strategic and Political Studies in Israel prepared the document entitled "A Clean Break" <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20060416082235/http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm" target="_blank">https://web.archive.org/web/20060416082235/http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm</a></p><p>in which a key essential was the bringing down of Saddam and the conversion of Iraq to a western style democracy for the advantage of securing oil for the west and making Iraq a center pin on containment for Iranian Shia's and Arab Sunni's who oppose Israeli expansionism to the biblical fulfillment of the Abrahamic promise in Genesis 12 of what is known as "Greater Israel."</p><p></p><p>Many in the American christian right who hold a post millenial eschatology see this fulfillment as a means of accelerating the rapture, Jesus' return and the 1000 year King of God. In other words, it's a means of self fulfilling prophesy. In the Muslim world, we have the same clash as they believe the Abraham promise came to their forefather Ismael and they hope is a greater Islamic world of controlling the entire Middle East according to that promise. The Mauhdi army takes it's name from the Shia messiah of the future who is called by the name Mauhdi. We are caught in the middle of a literal Holy War with global business interests on the sides manipulating for the purpose of power and control.</p><p></p><p>More on Perle and the document "A Clean Break" can also be found at Wikipedia however I'd pay more attention to the footnotes and external links to verify all that is claimed in the articles and I say that about any Wiki article.</p><p></p><p>On Perle: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle</a></p><p></p><p>On " A Clean Break":</p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm</a></p><p></p><p>You might also look at Perle and his activities in the late 90's in the waining years of the Clinton adminstration and his actions with the Project for A New American Century.</p><p></p><p>Now let's talk Iran for a minute. Unlike the Arab Sunni, the Iranian Shia are Persian and have a rather different history and perspective. It may also shock and surprise many that much of our customs, religious beliefs, etc. come more from Persia and that area of the world than it does having any origins in western Europe. (Thank you Imperial Roman Empire and the later Holy Roman Empire)</p><p></p><p>We also share common heritage somewhat in the Proto-Indo European peoples but that link dates back 6000 years ago. Being those links have all but broken let's look at Iran today in light of you comment about Saddam and the euro for oil.</p><p></p><p>Back around 2005-2006, we heard the beginnings of saber rattling towards Iran after all the focus had been on the sunni world. The Shia had been a silent friend in the overthrow of Saddam because odd as it may be, they shared a common benefit with Israel with this guy being gone. But Iran made a terrible mistake in judgement as one William Clark points out from the global research website. The plans exposed may seem very striking to another ill fated attempt in the year 2000' by another miscalculating Middle East leader.</p><p></p><p><a href="http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html" target="_blank">http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html</a></p><p></p><p>Should we be surprised that history just repeats itself because we'd to stupid to learn from it?</p><p></p><p>C Ya!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 333665, member: 2189"] Scratch, You should be drawn and quartered! :happy-very: Had you not stepped in someone else would have so might as well get it over with! That said and who am I to fight [SIZE=5]"DEMOCRACY" [/SIZE][SIZE=2]and the will of the people here![/SIZE] Bush Ruined America, I have to agree with Traveler that at least have the decency to register instead of hiding behind the "BUSHES" so to speak! :happy-very: You did however raise a extremely valid and surprisingly little known point about the events leading up to Iraq and it didn't help that Saddam tried to pull this rabbit out of his hat but IMO it really was an afterthought on his part. The assault to remove Saddam and install a US/Israeli controlled "democracy" was began as far back as the mid 1990's when Richard Perle under the commission of Institute of Advanced Strategic and Political Studies in Israel prepared the document entitled "A Clean Break" [url]https://web.archive.org/web/20060416082235/http://www.iasps.org/strat1.htm[/url] in which a key essential was the bringing down of Saddam and the conversion of Iraq to a western style democracy for the advantage of securing oil for the west and making Iraq a center pin on containment for Iranian Shia's and Arab Sunni's who oppose Israeli expansionism to the biblical fulfillment of the Abrahamic promise in Genesis 12 of what is known as "Greater Israel." Many in the American christian right who hold a post millenial eschatology see this fulfillment as a means of accelerating the rapture, Jesus' return and the 1000 year King of God. In other words, it's a means of self fulfilling prophesy. In the Muslim world, we have the same clash as they believe the Abraham promise came to their forefather Ismael and they hope is a greater Islamic world of controlling the entire Middle East according to that promise. The Mauhdi army takes it's name from the Shia messiah of the future who is called by the name Mauhdi. We are caught in the middle of a literal Holy War with global business interests on the sides manipulating for the purpose of power and control. More on Perle and the document "A Clean Break" can also be found at Wikipedia however I'd pay more attention to the footnotes and external links to verify all that is claimed in the articles and I say that about any Wiki article. On Perle: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Perle[/url] On " A Clean Break": [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Clean_Break:_A_New_Strategy_for_Securing_the_Realm[/url] You might also look at Perle and his activities in the late 90's in the waining years of the Clinton adminstration and his actions with the Project for A New American Century. Now let's talk Iran for a minute. Unlike the Arab Sunni, the Iranian Shia are Persian and have a rather different history and perspective. It may also shock and surprise many that much of our customs, religious beliefs, etc. come more from Persia and that area of the world than it does having any origins in western Europe. (Thank you Imperial Roman Empire and the later Holy Roman Empire) We also share common heritage somewhat in the Proto-Indo European peoples but that link dates back 6000 years ago. Being those links have all but broken let's look at Iran today in light of you comment about Saddam and the euro for oil. Back around 2005-2006, we heard the beginnings of saber rattling towards Iran after all the focus had been on the sunni world. The Shia had been a silent friend in the overthrow of Saddam because odd as it may be, they shared a common benefit with Israel with this guy being gone. But Iran made a terrible mistake in judgement as one William Clark points out from the global research website. The plans exposed may seem very striking to another ill fated attempt in the year 2000' by another miscalculating Middle East leader. [url]http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CLA410A.html[/url] Should we be surprised that history just repeats itself because we'd to stupid to learn from it? C Ya! [/QUOTE]
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