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<blockquote data-quote="av8torntn" data-source="post: 339488" data-attributes="member: 8259"><p>First again my opinion on subcontracting some of the military service has remained steady. I think they do an overall good job. I think it saves lots of money versus keeping a standing Army large enough to do what they are doing. I would guess using the force rotation that we have now we would have to maintain our military at 3-5 times its current size. I know some people argue it would be a much smaller number but there are also some that think it would be much larger. I think there is fraud and waste in all parts of the Federal Government. I also think that even if we maintained our military at this size there would still be plenty of room for fraud and waste which is what most studies want to leave out. I think there is congressional oversight for these contracts. I am against the Blackwater type of subcontracting for other reasons that have nothing to do with cost. I do think the constitution allows for "subcontracting" with letters of marque and reprisal. I am guessing that we have not signed some treaty that keeps us from doing this. I keep coming back to the constitution because I think if we followed its intent closer we would be much better off. Also because Diesel brought up what would our founders support.</p><p> </p><p>If you are saying that because there is fraud and waste we should end this practice OK. Let's just use this same method for things like Medicare. I will be on board everywhere I find fraud or waste we just end the entire program. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Now to the part I quoted. I firmly believe that these social programs are started by people with the best of intentions. Like we should help the children or we should take care of the elderly or homeless. I also believe these social programs always end up harming those that they were intended to help. Just rip the bandaid off quickly. So if we ended them not only could it be painless it could end up helping everyone. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>For some reason you brought up immigration. I think our nation has a right to secure and defend its borders. Ok now if you want a welfare state like we have now we do need workers from somewhere. I say you with a chuckle what I really mean is all of us. If you want to end the welfare state then see how many guest workers we need I will be on your side. Until then everything is just all talk. If there is work here people will come and if not people will leave. </p><p> </p><p>Also if we want to have a minimum wage and price some of our workers out of the job market while there are plenty of people willing to work at this wage I say bring them on. Why do I care if they are here legally or not? We have already priced our own citizens out of this job market with things like minimum wage, health care, and workers compensation. I am not well versed on the immigration issue but to me all of these things tie into it but not as a lure for immigrants but more as a method to keep our citizens out of the labor market. I know it is more complicated than that but oh well I really don't care much about this issue because right now I see much much larger problems.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p>When you say that I am an example of what people on a side think I can only hope you are right but I am afraid you are not.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="av8torntn, post: 339488, member: 8259"] First again my opinion on subcontracting some of the military service has remained steady. I think they do an overall good job. I think it saves lots of money versus keeping a standing Army large enough to do what they are doing. I would guess using the force rotation that we have now we would have to maintain our military at 3-5 times its current size. I know some people argue it would be a much smaller number but there are also some that think it would be much larger. I think there is fraud and waste in all parts of the Federal Government. I also think that even if we maintained our military at this size there would still be plenty of room for fraud and waste which is what most studies want to leave out. I think there is congressional oversight for these contracts. I am against the Blackwater type of subcontracting for other reasons that have nothing to do with cost. I do think the constitution allows for "subcontracting" with letters of marque and reprisal. I am guessing that we have not signed some treaty that keeps us from doing this. I keep coming back to the constitution because I think if we followed its intent closer we would be much better off. Also because Diesel brought up what would our founders support. If you are saying that because there is fraud and waste we should end this practice OK. Let's just use this same method for things like Medicare. I will be on board everywhere I find fraud or waste we just end the entire program. Now to the part I quoted. I firmly believe that these social programs are started by people with the best of intentions. Like we should help the children or we should take care of the elderly or homeless. I also believe these social programs always end up harming those that they were intended to help. Just rip the bandaid off quickly. So if we ended them not only could it be painless it could end up helping everyone. For some reason you brought up immigration. I think our nation has a right to secure and defend its borders. Ok now if you want a welfare state like we have now we do need workers from somewhere. I say you with a chuckle what I really mean is all of us. If you want to end the welfare state then see how many guest workers we need I will be on your side. Until then everything is just all talk. If there is work here people will come and if not people will leave. Also if we want to have a minimum wage and price some of our workers out of the job market while there are plenty of people willing to work at this wage I say bring them on. Why do I care if they are here legally or not? We have already priced our own citizens out of this job market with things like minimum wage, health care, and workers compensation. I am not well versed on the immigration issue but to me all of these things tie into it but not as a lure for immigrants but more as a method to keep our citizens out of the labor market. I know it is more complicated than that but oh well I really don't care much about this issue because right now I see much much larger problems. When you say that I am an example of what people on a side think I can only hope you are right but I am afraid you are not. [/QUOTE]
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