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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 339693" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p><strong>Across the whole strata of gov't is waste and fraud and no function IMO is void of it!</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Immigration! Let me just say this. If you remove both legal and illegal immigration from the US picture, the core US population over the last 30 years will have declined. Now we think Central States was in serious trouble but in an era where we the people demanded more from our gov't but at the same time demanded the cost of gov't (taxes) should go down, what was the gov't to do? That's the reason nothing is being done about illegal immigration. The myth that illegals don't pay taxes is just that, myth. All money that circulates in the economy at some point gets taxed and at some point gets absorbed back to the gov't to be circulated out again via gov't spending. That is the whole premise behind planned economics.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Empires of the past conquered new lands, returning with riches and slave labor to build the empire and provide the stock population with wine and circus so to speak. We've advanced from those archaic days so what do we do? AH-HA Globalism. Open borders which allows the slaves so to speak to come to us and it also allows business transfers to other lands opening up new markets for the same merchantilist interests. </strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Now I'm all about open and free markets but these are not open and free markets. They are negociated treaty created markets made perfect for certain global merchantile interests that restrict complete and open access for all. The moment some local upshot decides to get in the game, the global merchantilist unleash their powers to stop them. Both Iraq and Iran toyed with opening competing oil trading markets with London and New York and out come the dogs of war! If you believe in open free market principles and the belief that the market should decide winners and losers, shouldn't the Iraqis and Iranians be free to do this?</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>If UPS decides they need airplanes to go to a certain place can they just load em' and fly there? Nope, the federales much approve first and if international, it must be done according to treaty. How is this either way a true open free market? Does in effect the gov't decides who in the winner and who the loser? Could the gov't also be keeping out new upstarts from entering the fray?</strong></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/surprised.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":surprised:" title="Surprised :surprised:" data-shortname=":surprised:" /><strong> That's how they get the business interest to go along. Years ago we had the so-called monopoly busting gov't but today they are in effect about creating monopoies so to speak.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Should the Indians of northern Georgia back in the early 1800's who had tons of gold on their lands been free to mine or not to mine that gold or to do with it as they saw fit? Instead, we had the forced march known as the trail of Tears. Kinda flies back in our face about our belief and principles of economic freedom doesn't it. And I didn't even speak of property rights!</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>If we did that to the Indians, if we enslaved a people of foreign origin for the express purpose of economic gain and building our own society, could we not be doing the same with someone else's oil?</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Now we have the immigrate who comes here and then these same global merchantilist use that labor to depress our own labor market. Among those coming are the element who refuse assimulation into the American custom and in many cases violate our laws through criminal enterprise as this was an accepted norm in some cases from which they came. We scream bloody murder about the rising illegal prison population and it is a problem for local communities to burden but then we go to foreign lands ourselves and flip our hands at local custom and tradition which in many cases, even though we and I would agree makes no sense but it is their law. </strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>I enjoy a cold brew from time to time but if I went into someone's house who objected to all forms of alcohol, I'd never in 1000 years insult them by pulling out a longneck and swilling it down even though local law allows me to drink such. Private property rights of others supercede my rights when I'm on their land and I have to conform to their rules as such or leave. Why is visiting a foreign country any different? Or should the quickest way of spreading the American way is by living it's example in everything we do? I wonder in doing that how much force or what size army would be needed to advance our cause globally if other people knew we would respect and treat them right whenever we were around. Instead, we're the lone world superpower so we do as we please!</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Your point about controlling immigration I totally agree with even though I hold a utopian principle of all borders being open and people are free to move about as they please. But reality is another matter so there you go. The Empire State is all about the Welfare State as in order to maintain the empire, all manner of society must be controlled and planned. The most logical thing regarding immigration would be to prohibit and use by such of our wellfare system including the public schools. I completely agree with that as cold hearted as it is or seems. However, 2 potential blowbacks from this.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>1) They go home! HOORAY! Let's Party! Right? Be careful, the economic fallout maybe a lot bigger than we think.</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>2) They resort to crime as they refuse to leave. Some estimates suggest US prison population is 25% illegal and how true that is I'll let others debate. But, cut off the welfare and you can bet some will turn to crime and at what cost to the local communties, some already strapped with this cost burden. </strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>A side note. How much of our increased demand in energy over the last several years, the inability for oil production capacity to meet domestic demand, would not be a problem when you remove the millions of illegals? How much less greenhouse gases would we emit as a nation? </strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Now there's a thought for ya Allie Gore!</strong></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p> </p><p><strong>Immigration is a monster create by gov't and merchantile interests for their own gain and none of the candidates I saw running except for Ron Paul and I think Duncan Hunter called for doing anything about the problem. Ron Paul wants to bring home the all European, Korean and Japanese based Divisions and put them on our borders. Now IMO that is national defense in the true Constitutional sense!</strong></p><p> </p><p><strong>Oh I forgot, he's an idiot wackjob!</strong></p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 339693, member: 2189"] [B]Across the whole strata of gov't is waste and fraud and no function IMO is void of it![/B] [B]Immigration! Let me just say this. If you remove both legal and illegal immigration from the US picture, the core US population over the last 30 years will have declined. Now we think Central States was in serious trouble but in an era where we the people demanded more from our gov't but at the same time demanded the cost of gov't (taxes) should go down, what was the gov't to do? That's the reason nothing is being done about illegal immigration. The myth that illegals don't pay taxes is just that, myth. All money that circulates in the economy at some point gets taxed and at some point gets absorbed back to the gov't to be circulated out again via gov't spending. That is the whole premise behind planned economics.[/B] [B]Empires of the past conquered new lands, returning with riches and slave labor to build the empire and provide the stock population with wine and circus so to speak. We've advanced from those archaic days so what do we do? AH-HA Globalism. Open borders which allows the slaves so to speak to come to us and it also allows business transfers to other lands opening up new markets for the same merchantilist interests. [/B] [B]Now I'm all about open and free markets but these are not open and free markets. They are negociated treaty created markets made perfect for certain global merchantile interests that restrict complete and open access for all. The moment some local upshot decides to get in the game, the global merchantilist unleash their powers to stop them. Both Iraq and Iran toyed with opening competing oil trading markets with London and New York and out come the dogs of war! If you believe in open free market principles and the belief that the market should decide winners and losers, shouldn't the Iraqis and Iranians be free to do this?[/B] [B]If UPS decides they need airplanes to go to a certain place can they just load em' and fly there? Nope, the federales much approve first and if international, it must be done according to treaty. How is this either way a true open free market? Does in effect the gov't decides who in the winner and who the loser? Could the gov't also be keeping out new upstarts from entering the fray?[/B] :surprised:[B] That's how they get the business interest to go along. Years ago we had the so-called monopoly busting gov't but today they are in effect about creating monopoies so to speak.[/B] [B]Should the Indians of northern Georgia back in the early 1800's who had tons of gold on their lands been free to mine or not to mine that gold or to do with it as they saw fit? Instead, we had the forced march known as the trail of Tears. Kinda flies back in our face about our belief and principles of economic freedom doesn't it. And I didn't even speak of property rights![/B] [B]If we did that to the Indians, if we enslaved a people of foreign origin for the express purpose of economic gain and building our own society, could we not be doing the same with someone else's oil?[/B] [B]Now we have the immigrate who comes here and then these same global merchantilist use that labor to depress our own labor market. Among those coming are the element who refuse assimulation into the American custom and in many cases violate our laws through criminal enterprise as this was an accepted norm in some cases from which they came. We scream bloody murder about the rising illegal prison population and it is a problem for local communities to burden but then we go to foreign lands ourselves and flip our hands at local custom and tradition which in many cases, even though we and I would agree makes no sense but it is their law. [/B] [B]I enjoy a cold brew from time to time but if I went into someone's house who objected to all forms of alcohol, I'd never in 1000 years insult them by pulling out a longneck and swilling it down even though local law allows me to drink such. Private property rights of others supercede my rights when I'm on their land and I have to conform to their rules as such or leave. Why is visiting a foreign country any different? Or should the quickest way of spreading the American way is by living it's example in everything we do? I wonder in doing that how much force or what size army would be needed to advance our cause globally if other people knew we would respect and treat them right whenever we were around. Instead, we're the lone world superpower so we do as we please![/B] [B]Your point about controlling immigration I totally agree with even though I hold a utopian principle of all borders being open and people are free to move about as they please. But reality is another matter so there you go. The Empire State is all about the Welfare State as in order to maintain the empire, all manner of society must be controlled and planned. The most logical thing regarding immigration would be to prohibit and use by such of our wellfare system including the public schools. I completely agree with that as cold hearted as it is or seems. However, 2 potential blowbacks from this.[/B] [B]1) They go home! HOORAY! Let's Party! Right? Be careful, the economic fallout maybe a lot bigger than we think.[/B] [B]2) They resort to crime as they refuse to leave. Some estimates suggest US prison population is 25% illegal and how true that is I'll let others debate. But, cut off the welfare and you can bet some will turn to crime and at what cost to the local communties, some already strapped with this cost burden. [/B] [B]A side note. How much of our increased demand in energy over the last several years, the inability for oil production capacity to meet domestic demand, would not be a problem when you remove the millions of illegals? How much less greenhouse gases would we emit as a nation? [/B] [B]Now there's a thought for ya Allie Gore![/B] :wink2: [B]Immigration is a monster create by gov't and merchantile interests for their own gain and none of the candidates I saw running except for Ron Paul and I think Duncan Hunter called for doing anything about the problem. Ron Paul wants to bring home the all European, Korean and Japanese based Divisions and put them on our borders. Now IMO that is national defense in the true Constitutional sense![/B] [B]Oh I forgot, he's an idiot wackjob![/B] :happy-very: [/QUOTE]
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