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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 803983" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>In the late 80's pilots were making $150k and flight engineers $110k. I jumpseated many times and the pilots back then had catered food on the plane. Recently worked out of a ramp location and pilots were pupped by hotel courtesy vans. They also back in the 80's could only fly so many days a month per FAA rules. They've always had it good. My point is if it's so important that airlines not be disrupted then why were our pilots allowed to be treated separately from the rest of us? Unionize by job category? But it's all academic. For the one who said we shouldn't rely on the Teamster for organizing, well, what are you doing? Sticking your neck out? If non-FedEx people aren't out handing out info and holding meetings it'll never get off the ground. I've seen alot of talk over the years and nothing ever happens. But at least I know of a great beach town where I can get by on $500 a month. Why anyone would enslave themselves to a mortgage, etc when you know your employer will just take and take is beyond me. And while the U.S. is expensive, we've got it much better than most of the world. Try supporting a family on less than $500 a month, even less than $300. It's typical in the Philippines to work 12+ hrs a day, every day for less than $200 a month. A job at the mall is considered a great job but usually requires 10 hrs a day, 6 days a week and a college degree. For $200 to $300 a month. And yet there are at least a couple of Filipino billionaires. Judging by what's going on at Ground this is the future of the U.S. although maybe not that extreme. But low pay and few benefits seem likely due to little upside in growth potential. Maybe if we switch over to electric cars, etc and build them all here we may turn things around. But where people are getting wealthy is in China, India, and Brazil. Average people can nicely benefit from all the economic activity. Here in the States 10's of thousands of factories have been closed. Without that base you'll have a much more limited middle class and already companies have restructured or are in the process of doing so to face these realities. And it's expected that boom-bust business cycles will become more pronounced so alot of uncertainty ahead.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 803983, member: 24302"] In the late 80's pilots were making $150k and flight engineers $110k. I jumpseated many times and the pilots back then had catered food on the plane. Recently worked out of a ramp location and pilots were pupped by hotel courtesy vans. They also back in the 80's could only fly so many days a month per FAA rules. They've always had it good. My point is if it's so important that airlines not be disrupted then why were our pilots allowed to be treated separately from the rest of us? Unionize by job category? But it's all academic. For the one who said we shouldn't rely on the Teamster for organizing, well, what are you doing? Sticking your neck out? If non-FedEx people aren't out handing out info and holding meetings it'll never get off the ground. I've seen alot of talk over the years and nothing ever happens. But at least I know of a great beach town where I can get by on $500 a month. Why anyone would enslave themselves to a mortgage, etc when you know your employer will just take and take is beyond me. And while the U.S. is expensive, we've got it much better than most of the world. Try supporting a family on less than $500 a month, even less than $300. It's typical in the Philippines to work 12+ hrs a day, every day for less than $200 a month. A job at the mall is considered a great job but usually requires 10 hrs a day, 6 days a week and a college degree. For $200 to $300 a month. And yet there are at least a couple of Filipino billionaires. Judging by what's going on at Ground this is the future of the U.S. although maybe not that extreme. But low pay and few benefits seem likely due to little upside in growth potential. Maybe if we switch over to electric cars, etc and build them all here we may turn things around. But where people are getting wealthy is in China, India, and Brazil. Average people can nicely benefit from all the economic activity. Here in the States 10's of thousands of factories have been closed. Without that base you'll have a much more limited middle class and already companies have restructured or are in the process of doing so to face these realities. And it's expected that boom-bust business cycles will become more pronounced so alot of uncertainty ahead. [/QUOTE]
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