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<blockquote data-quote="Ironshot" data-source="post: 134508" data-attributes="member: 6881"><p>Jonfrum,</p><p> Nice spread on the NE stuff, it's nice to see how the dollars are spread.</p><p>This just high lighted the arguement to remove UPSer's monies from the plan.</p><p>If UPS is going to make "Generous Donations" it is best made <strong>to</strong> and <strong>for </strong>it's <strong>own</strong> employee's. Like I said; the other day the 1986 decision in the 3rd circuit leaves the door open to removing those funds from the Teamsters.</p><p> A lot of working people are tired of carrying the mistakes of Government run entitlement programs and now pension programs. I've really signed off the idea of getting Social Security myself, but I'm still paying for others now. Now do you think workers should be sympathetic to the mismanaged pension funds?</p><p> Also, I was surprised to find that no IBT supporter corrected a statement I made regarding the "gravy" the part timers contribute to the pension funds. Since UPS uses about 50 percent part timers, usually young healthly men and women just around for college cash, little if nothing for their medical expenses. Most don't stay long enough to vest. As I suggested the IBT gave away FT positions in favor of these cash cow PT positions. But, of course the truth is the Part timers Pension and Medical Insurance dollars are kept by the company and our "under funded" pensions don't see this "free money"? I ask, is this good bargaining? I hear it from time to time "the APWA has never Negotiated a contract"! The UPS pilots ( once Teamsters ) did a nice job with their contract? Never negotiating a contract. It's not rocket science. </p><p> Finally you still haven't come out and ID'd yourself as individual or "Propagandist" hack for your employer? </p><p>In closing, I say this again, the 3rd circuit is 1. most likely a liberal bench, ( not necessarily the best place to choose a ruling against organized labor?</p><p>2. The UPS employee's in this action? How many? The available dollars available to put into a vigious litigation battle? 3. Who or whom were the attorneys for the UPS employee's? And what was the experience level of said attorneys.. People, our American revolution never would have happened if the organizers decided to stay in the taverns, town halls and</p><p>accept the nay sayers "You can't hope to beat the British Army" montra! from a ragtag outfit to victory. </p><p> So it will be with the APWA, the truth, a decidely democratic organization</p><p>made up of former teamsters tired of the IBT garbage. Join the revolution!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ironshot, post: 134508, member: 6881"] Jonfrum, Nice spread on the NE stuff, it's nice to see how the dollars are spread. This just high lighted the arguement to remove UPSer's monies from the plan. If UPS is going to make "Generous Donations" it is best made [B]to[/B] and [B]for [/B]it's [B]own[/B] employee's. Like I said; the other day the 1986 decision in the 3rd circuit leaves the door open to removing those funds from the Teamsters. A lot of working people are tired of carrying the mistakes of Government run entitlement programs and now pension programs. I've really signed off the idea of getting Social Security myself, but I'm still paying for others now. Now do you think workers should be sympathetic to the mismanaged pension funds? Also, I was surprised to find that no IBT supporter corrected a statement I made regarding the "gravy" the part timers contribute to the pension funds. Since UPS uses about 50 percent part timers, usually young healthly men and women just around for college cash, little if nothing for their medical expenses. Most don't stay long enough to vest. As I suggested the IBT gave away FT positions in favor of these cash cow PT positions. But, of course the truth is the Part timers Pension and Medical Insurance dollars are kept by the company and our "under funded" pensions don't see this "free money"? I ask, is this good bargaining? I hear it from time to time "the APWA has never Negotiated a contract"! The UPS pilots ( once Teamsters ) did a nice job with their contract? Never negotiating a contract. It's not rocket science. Finally you still haven't come out and ID'd yourself as individual or "Propagandist" hack for your employer? In closing, I say this again, the 3rd circuit is 1. most likely a liberal bench, ( not necessarily the best place to choose a ruling against organized labor? 2. The UPS employee's in this action? How many? The available dollars available to put into a vigious litigation battle? 3. Who or whom were the attorneys for the UPS employee's? And what was the experience level of said attorneys.. People, our American revolution never would have happened if the organizers decided to stay in the taverns, town halls and accept the nay sayers "You can't hope to beat the British Army" montra! from a ragtag outfit to victory. So it will be with the APWA, the truth, a decidely democratic organization made up of former teamsters tired of the IBT garbage. Join the revolution! [/QUOTE]
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