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<blockquote data-quote="hondo" data-source="post: 220756" data-attributes="member: 8661"><p>This is going to be a long post but I'll answer what I can:</p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Sorter-a "skilled" worker that has memorized a large list of states/zip codes so they can send a package to right area of the bldg., gets $1/hr premium pay over package handler. Loader-stacks pkgs floor to ceiling (up to 9' high) in semi trailer with help of a step stool, has to memorize a short list of states/zips and verify package belongs in that trailer and scans its bar code. Porter-a janitor/maintenance position keeps premises neat and may do some equipment setup and storage for each shift. Carwasher-cleans vehicles inside & out, may also be responsible for refueling and checking/filling underhood fluids. Air drivers-pickup and deliver "air service" pkgs only. These are generally, but not always the smaller/lighter pkgs. This area of the contract (Article 40) is really vague. There is provision for full-time air drivers (they'll make less than regular package drivers), but I believe most air drivers are part-time (make less still but if you qualify it'll get you a quick raise). Air walkers appears to be a part-time position similar to seasonal driver helper, probably only in a congested business district where you'll ride with an air driver and you'll split up delivering the air packages, probably aren't many of these jobs. Combo jobs are where you work 2 part-time jobs for the equivalent of a single full-time job, e.g. unloading a trailer from 3-7AM then air driver from 7-11AM. You didn't ask, but Preloaders are the ones who load the delivery trucks early in the morning, used to have to memorize local street address ranges hence they're "skilled" positions under this contract, but there is a new system going in place that eliminates the need to memorize anything.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Don't know about "right-to-work" states, but if you're not in one of those you'll either become a member or could opt to be a service fee paying nonmember of your local union. There will be a large (compared to what you're making) initiation fee, probably spread out over several paychecks. Once that's covered your regular monthly dues should be 2.5 times your hourly wage (maybe a lesser flat rate until you progress to a higher wage), around here it's broken down into 4 deductions from the first 4 weekly paychecks each month. A service fee paying nonmember pays the equivalent amount, because you're benefitting from the negotiated wages/benefits/working conditions, less what the local union spends on charitable and political contributions. Here it's 94% so if I did that I'd save $1.32/mo., really not worth it IMO. When?, you're going to have to ask somebody there.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Don't know how they're doing nationwide on creating jobs, but jobs are filled by seniority or sometimes at a ratio of 6 current employees to 1 person "off the street". Ask your Human Resources office *and* your local union people (a steward might know, you may have to ask the "Business Agent") what the current wait for a friend/t job is estimated to be.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Your seniority should be your start date, once you make it through the probationary period, did anyone mention anything like having to work a 30 calendar period with no major screwups or attendance problems? Or 45 or 90 days?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I'm not entirely sure about red-circled but I believe it's something like the contract in effect when you were hired is a minimum standard, you can never lose ground under future contracts while you're in that job classification.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">check with HR & local union. Should be under Article 22 sections 12-14 and any local supplements and related to end of probation/achieving seniority.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">High Volume Direct is the last sorter before the loader, Low Volume Direct is a sorter who also loads some, if not all the packages sorted.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Unless you have a good reason like a school conflict, you're going to have a hard time transferring to the preload shift and may be subject to some time period restriction before allowed to do so. But by all means, once you've achieved seniority, start pressing your part & full time supervisors for sorting study guides/tests to get that raise. Talk to your HR & union people to get your name on waiting list for "preferred/skilled" jobs list-see Article 22 section 4 & local supplements.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You're not limited to 25hrs/wk and come *PEAK* season (officially Thanksgiving to Christmas) you should have much more than that. OT(time and a half) should kick in after 5 hours each day (not after first 25 hours each week). You should always get your minimum 3.5 hours/day once you have seniority, don't let them send you home early unless you want to go. Your work area should be fully staffed until the workload starts to wind down, remaining work (wrap-up) should be done by employees in declining order of seniority (I like to think of it as a right of first refusal), showing proficiency and learning other load charts and letting part & full time supes know you want the hours helps. There should be an extra work list each month you can sign so if another shift is shorthanded they should call you in (in seniority order of course). I believe if you work two 3.5 hr(minimum contractually) in one day you'll be paid for 8 hours (worked 7 so the last 2 are OT). This works best if you have back to back shifts in your building, if all you have are twilight & preload it could get very tiring, very quickly. Also, you may have to file grievances if the supes are sneaky and try to send too many people early or try to perform work themselves when understaffed. There shouldn't be any problem getting another part-time job as long as you have time to travel between them & eat, until you get into a driving job which may have DOT hours of service restrictions.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">I wouldn't count on too much from the p/t pension, contributions and vesting info. just isn't there, only an address in Atlanta (corporate HQ) to write to. And some of the friend/t pensions have issues. Pension & insurance benefits seem to be the big concerns everywhere, not just UPS. It's possible we employees at UPS could end up being the last to even have a pension.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">Don't know.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">If you go friend/t, you'll start over seniority wise in your job classification, but you should retain your p/t seniority with respect to vacation-see Article 22 section 7.</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol">You can ask, and if you have seniority and your local supplement negotiated for it you may even have a few Optional Paid Days (paid vacation days) you could use. Or you could ask for the time off unpaid but excused, if they like you they might go for it. But if they say no, I'd recommend sending your regrets to your family unless it's really important to you. Welcome to the working world.</li> </ol><p>Some other thoughts: look around your building for the union bulletin boards, you'll find out which local you're under, their address/phone, should have a list of stewards names. Before or after your shift, ask some coworkers or maybe a driver (delivery truck or semi) to point out a steward & introduce yourself. You really need to know about your probationary period right now. Once you are a seniority employee, get yourself a copy of the contract book from a steward or the union hall and any local supplements. The National Master Agreement is on this site (runs through July 31,2008-I think this was the longest ever, 6 years). You sound like you're seriously considering a UPS career and have asked many good questions. Generally speaking, your main choice will be a delivery truck driver (long days), then after some time maybe semi driver(long nights). Also, you must look at where you want to live your working life, as you really can't transfer to any other part of the country. You don't want to have worked 2-3 years part-time in state X only to decide state Y is where you want to live. And you might want to start sleeping the same schedule all week for a month then slowly try to vary it slightly on the weekends to see what you can handle.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hondo, post: 220756, member: 8661"] This is going to be a long post but I'll answer what I can: [LIST=1] [*]Sorter-a "skilled" worker that has memorized a large list of states/zip codes so they can send a package to right area of the bldg., gets $1/hr premium pay over package handler. Loader-stacks pkgs floor to ceiling (up to 9' high) in semi trailer with help of a step stool, has to memorize a short list of states/zips and verify package belongs in that trailer and scans its bar code. Porter-a janitor/maintenance position keeps premises neat and may do some equipment setup and storage for each shift. Carwasher-cleans vehicles inside & out, may also be responsible for refueling and checking/filling underhood fluids. Air drivers-pickup and deliver "air service" pkgs only. These are generally, but not always the smaller/lighter pkgs. This area of the contract (Article 40) is really vague. There is provision for full-time air drivers (they'll make less than regular package drivers), but I believe most air drivers are part-time (make less still but if you qualify it'll get you a quick raise). Air walkers appears to be a part-time position similar to seasonal driver helper, probably only in a congested business district where you'll ride with an air driver and you'll split up delivering the air packages, probably aren't many of these jobs. Combo jobs are where you work 2 part-time jobs for the equivalent of a single full-time job, e.g. unloading a trailer from 3-7AM then air driver from 7-11AM. You didn't ask, but Preloaders are the ones who load the delivery trucks early in the morning, used to have to memorize local street address ranges hence they're "skilled" positions under this contract, but there is a new system going in place that eliminates the need to memorize anything. [*]Don't know about "right-to-work" states, but if you're not in one of those you'll either become a member or could opt to be a service fee paying nonmember of your local union. There will be a large (compared to what you're making) initiation fee, probably spread out over several paychecks. Once that's covered your regular monthly dues should be 2.5 times your hourly wage (maybe a lesser flat rate until you progress to a higher wage), around here it's broken down into 4 deductions from the first 4 weekly paychecks each month. A service fee paying nonmember pays the equivalent amount, because you're benefitting from the negotiated wages/benefits/working conditions, less what the local union spends on charitable and political contributions. Here it's 94% so if I did that I'd save $1.32/mo., really not worth it IMO. When?, you're going to have to ask somebody there. [*]Don't know how they're doing nationwide on creating jobs, but jobs are filled by seniority or sometimes at a ratio of 6 current employees to 1 person "off the street". Ask your Human Resources office *and* your local union people (a steward might know, you may have to ask the "Business Agent") what the current wait for a friend/t job is estimated to be. [*]Your seniority should be your start date, once you make it through the probationary period, did anyone mention anything like having to work a 30 calendar period with no major screwups or attendance problems? Or 45 or 90 days? [*]I'm not entirely sure about red-circled but I believe it's something like the contract in effect when you were hired is a minimum standard, you can never lose ground under future contracts while you're in that job classification. [*]check with HR & local union. Should be under Article 22 sections 12-14 and any local supplements and related to end of probation/achieving seniority. [*]High Volume Direct is the last sorter before the loader, Low Volume Direct is a sorter who also loads some, if not all the packages sorted. [*]Unless you have a good reason like a school conflict, you're going to have a hard time transferring to the preload shift and may be subject to some time period restriction before allowed to do so. But by all means, once you've achieved seniority, start pressing your part & full time supervisors for sorting study guides/tests to get that raise. Talk to your HR & union people to get your name on waiting list for "preferred/skilled" jobs list-see Article 22 section 4 & local supplements. [*]You're not limited to 25hrs/wk and come *PEAK* season (officially Thanksgiving to Christmas) you should have much more than that. OT(time and a half) should kick in after 5 hours each day (not after first 25 hours each week). You should always get your minimum 3.5 hours/day once you have seniority, don't let them send you home early unless you want to go. Your work area should be fully staffed until the workload starts to wind down, remaining work (wrap-up) should be done by employees in declining order of seniority (I like to think of it as a right of first refusal), showing proficiency and learning other load charts and letting part & full time supes know you want the hours helps. There should be an extra work list each month you can sign so if another shift is shorthanded they should call you in (in seniority order of course). I believe if you work two 3.5 hr(minimum contractually) in one day you'll be paid for 8 hours (worked 7 so the last 2 are OT). This works best if you have back to back shifts in your building, if all you have are twilight & preload it could get very tiring, very quickly. Also, you may have to file grievances if the supes are sneaky and try to send too many people early or try to perform work themselves when understaffed. There shouldn't be any problem getting another part-time job as long as you have time to travel between them & eat, until you get into a driving job which may have DOT hours of service restrictions. [*]I wouldn't count on too much from the p/t pension, contributions and vesting info. just isn't there, only an address in Atlanta (corporate HQ) to write to. And some of the friend/t pensions have issues. Pension & insurance benefits seem to be the big concerns everywhere, not just UPS. It's possible we employees at UPS could end up being the last to even have a pension. [*]Don't know. [*]If you go friend/t, you'll start over seniority wise in your job classification, but you should retain your p/t seniority with respect to vacation-see Article 22 section 7. [*]You can ask, and if you have seniority and your local supplement negotiated for it you may even have a few Optional Paid Days (paid vacation days) you could use. Or you could ask for the time off unpaid but excused, if they like you they might go for it. But if they say no, I'd recommend sending your regrets to your family unless it's really important to you. Welcome to the working world.[/LIST]Some other thoughts: look around your building for the union bulletin boards, you'll find out which local you're under, their address/phone, should have a list of stewards names. Before or after your shift, ask some coworkers or maybe a driver (delivery truck or semi) to point out a steward & introduce yourself. You really need to know about your probationary period right now. Once you are a seniority employee, get yourself a copy of the contract book from a steward or the union hall and any local supplements. The National Master Agreement is on this site (runs through July 31,2008-I think this was the longest ever, 6 years). You sound like you're seriously considering a UPS career and have asked many good questions. Generally speaking, your main choice will be a delivery truck driver (long days), then after some time maybe semi driver(long nights). Also, you must look at where you want to live your working life, as you really can't transfer to any other part of the country. You don't want to have worked 2-3 years part-time in state X only to decide state Y is where you want to live. And you might want to start sleeping the same schedule all week for a month then slowly try to vary it slightly on the weekends to see what you can handle. [/QUOTE]
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