US 🇺🇸 Tariff China 🇨🇳 are we in a weaker position?

Box Ox

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You know TCP/IP?
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Over70irregs

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Interesting day.
china did a bit of grandstanding this morning saying they were not meeting with the US and talking a little smack in the process

Trump when asked about that says "well they met this morning, not going to say who but they met this morning"
They are using “back channels”…. 🤷‍♀️ Heard big T telling Vladmir Stop 🛑
 

newfie

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They are using “back channels”…. 🤷‍♀️ Heard big T telling Vladmir Stop 🛑
chinese have to save face but need to work a deal before they have to send all their factory workers back to the farms.

they have someone meeting with the europeans maybe thats how they're doing it using europe as the intermediary.
 

Over70irregs

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chinese have to save face but need to work a deal before they have to send all their factory workers back to the farms.

they have someone meeting with the europeans maybe thats how they're doing it using europe as the intermediary.
I heard we announced a few countries such as Vietnam but no final deal happened. No one wants to cross China.
 

newfie

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I heard we announced a few countries such as Vietnam but no final deal happened. No one wants to cross China.
the problem with vietnam is it has been a trade proxy of china. to measure the true trade imbalance with china you have to look at all countries that china moves thier exports through which includes vietnam.

trade with china is a cat and mouse game . china will cheat the game any way they can
 

Over70irregs

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the problem with vietnam is it has been a trade proxy of china. to measure the true trade imbalance with china you have to look at all countries that china moves thier exports through which includes vietnam.

trade with china is a cat and mouse game . china will cheat the game any way they can
China has certain strengths in semiconductors, manufacturing hubs, earth minerals. We have military, cloud, swift and dollar dominance.
 

BadIdeaGuy

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China has certain strengths in semiconductors
No they don't.

Huawei is busy with 7 nm chips while Samsung is pumping out 2 nm.

China has knockoff x86 chips through Zhaoxin and China's Moore's thread GPUs are based off of stolen (and outdated) NVIDIA tech.

Up until a few years ago, Huawei's "custom OS" was just a copy paste of Android that they couldn't even be bothered to remove all of the references from.

Their technology is almost entirely stolen through copyright theft, and requires them to keep stealing new things just to keep about 2 generations behind.
 

newfie

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China has certain strengths in semiconductors, manufacturing hubs, earth minerals. We have military, cloud, swift and dollar dominance.
i actually want china to build strong distinct brands the differentiate themselves from what is on the market. So much of what they sell is pirated from others .
for most chinese companies the compliance officer is the person that supplies you with fabricated compliance documents for the copyrighted products they sell.
 

oldngray

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i actually want china to build strong distinct brands the differentiate themselves from what is on the market. So much of what they sell is pirated from others .
for most chinese companies the compliance officer is the person that supplies you with fabricated compliance documents for the copyrighted products they sell.
When was the last time China made anything that wasn't a copy of someone else's?
 

Over70irregs

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No they don't.

Huawei is busy with 7 nm chips while Samsung is pumping out 2 nm.

China has knockoff x86 chips through Zhaoxin and China's Moore's thread GPUs are based off of stolen (and outdated) NVIDIA tech.

Up until a few years ago, Huawei's "custom OS" was just a copy paste of Android that they couldn't even be bothered to remove all of the references from.

Their technology is almost entirely stolen through copyright theft, and requires them to keep stealing new things just to keep about 2 generations behind.
1. It is pirated but they can do their own.
2. Also advantage in rare earth metals
3. 2nd largest holder of US treasuries.
 

Over70irregs

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i actually want china to build strong distinct brands the differentiate themselves from what is on the market. So much of what they sell is pirated from others .
for most chinese companies the compliance officer is the person that supplies you with fabricated compliance documents for the copyrighted products they sell.
Umm no. I want cheap crap that I can mark up and profit off of…
 

Box Ox

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Umm no. I want cheap crap that I can mark up and profit off of…

Listen, buddy. 1950s America is coming back thanks to Trump. Soon, a guy making previously inexpensive items at a factory we brought back from Bangladesh is gonna be earning enough to afford a solid middle class lifestyle.
 
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