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<blockquote data-quote="vantexan" data-source="post: 4973478" data-attributes="member: 24302"><p>Trump had a deal in place to leave in May before the Taliban&#039;s &quot;fighting season.&quot; Biden scrapped that and waited until there were tens of thousands of Taliban looking to fight.&nbsp; Biden made it political by wanting to leave completely by Sept. 11th.&nbsp; He made it impossible for the Afghan Army to have an advantage over the Taliban by pulling American air support.&nbsp; He made it turn into this complete debacle by pulling the troops before he had taken all Americans and Afghanis we had promised to help out of the country.&nbsp; The British and French are sending their soldiers into the streets of Kabul to rescue their citizens while we&#039;re saying we can&#039;t.&nbsp; Furthermore the U.S. had the capability to easily wipe out the Taliban for 20 years but chose to let the war continue along because defense contractors were making bank and giving nice donations to Congressional and Presidential campaign coffers to keep it going.&nbsp; And so was Pakistan, who has a huge Washington lobbying presence.&nbsp; The same Pakistan who gets much more in U.S. aid than Afghanistan does and uses some of that aid to fund the Taliban.&nbsp; It&#039;s Pakistan who regrouped the Taliban out of tribal area fighters in their northwest and who supply them through a valley that connects the two countries that the U.S. is well aware of and leaves that valley open.&nbsp; Same valley that bin Laden escaped to Pakistan through.&nbsp; We&#039;ve all been played by our government who got a lot of people killed so that they could have an excuse to enrich themselves and others with our tax dollars.&nbsp; Another reason Trump had to go.&nbsp; He drew our force strength down to 2500 and we were doing very little fighting.&nbsp; Primarily air support to the Afghanis.&nbsp; We weren&#039;t burning through the weaponry and ammunition.&nbsp; I suspect that&#039;s why Biden left so much American gear.&nbsp; Military contractors will have to replace it.&nbsp; The U.S. is back in full force in the Middle East with dependency on their oil and soon we&#039;ll need to stamp out some threat to the oil yet again with our troops, keeping contractors happy and campaign coffers full.&nbsp; With partisan hacks at each others throats over who did what first, didn&#039;t do enough, etc.&nbsp; We had a president who secured our border and was trying to get us out of costly, meaningless wars.&nbsp; He was a threat to the status quo and had to go.&nbsp; And will be forever vilified by one side because he was the wrong party while his own side will start turning on him because instead of kicking the ass of stone age fanatics he decided it was quicksand and we&#039;re better off out of there.&nbsp; When our country goes completely down the toilet and is a shell of its former self we have no one else to blame but ourselves for allowing those in power to manipulate us and put their selfish interests first over the interest of the country&#039;s future and the future of our kids.&nbsp; $29 trillion in debt and counting.</p></blockquote><p></p>

[QUOTE="vantexan, post: 4973478, member: 24302"] Trump had a deal in place to leave in May before the Taliban's "fighting season." Biden scrapped that and waited until there were tens of thousands of Taliban looking to fight. Biden made it political by wanting to leave completely by Sept. 11th. He made it impossible for the Afghan Army to have an advantage over the Taliban by pulling American air support. He made it turn into this complete debacle by pulling the troops before he had taken all Americans and Afghanis we had promised to help out of the country. The British and French are sending their soldiers into the streets of Kabul to rescue their citizens while we're saying we can't. Furthermore the U.S. had the capability to easily wipe out the Taliban for 20 years but chose to let the war continue along because defense contractors were making bank and giving nice donations to Congressional and Presidential campaign coffers to keep it going. And so was Pakistan, who has a huge Washington lobbying presence. The same Pakistan who gets much more in U.S. aid than Afghanistan does and uses some of that aid to fund the Taliban. It's Pakistan who regrouped the Taliban out of tribal area fighters in their northwest and who supply them through a valley that connects the two countries that the U.S. is well aware of and leaves that valley open. Same valley that bin Laden escaped to Pakistan through. We've all been played by our government who got a lot of people killed so that they could have an excuse to enrich themselves and others with our tax dollars. Another reason Trump had to go. He drew our force strength down to 2500 and we were doing very little fighting. Primarily air support to the Afghanis. We weren't burning through the weaponry and ammunition. I suspect that's why Biden left so much American gear. Military contractors will have to replace it. The U.S. is back in full force in the Middle East with dependency on their oil and soon we'll need to stamp out some threat to the oil yet again with our troops, keeping contractors happy and campaign coffers full. With partisan hacks at each others throats over who did what first, didn't do enough, etc. We had a president who secured our border and was trying to get us out of costly, meaningless wars. He was a threat to the status quo and had to go. And will be forever vilified by one side because he was the wrong party while his own side will start turning on him because instead of kicking the ass of stone age fanatics he decided it was quicksand and we're better off out of there. When our country goes completely down the toilet and is a shell of its former self we have no one else to blame but ourselves for allowing those in power to manipulate us and put their selfish interests first over the interest of the country's future and the future of our kids. $29 trillion in debt and counting. [/QUOTE]

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