Vacation/weekly bid

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Kanovic, Nov 5, 2019.

  1. Kanovic

    Kanovic My job is fun

    We have some weird drivers that like to come in a few days and work while they are on vacation, don’t ask me why I think that’s stupid. My question is if I sign the weekly bid to run a said route for that while and the driver decides to come work a few days who has the right over the route? Thanks in advance friends
     
  2. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Well-Known Member

    Our district no longer lets drivers work their vacations.

    To your question----yes, you should be allowed to run the route that you bid and the driver who was supposed to be on vacation should be put on an unassigned route. That is what should happen----what will happen is he will run his route and you will be put on an unassigned route. Sucks but that's they way it goes.
     
  3. OKLABob

    OKLABob Active Member

    Should never be able to work your vacation
     
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  4. scooby0048

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    Absolutely right! Think of the guys who might have wanted a certain time but couldn't get it because it was already full. Then come to work to see JoeDickhead working when he was supposed to be off. We have had guys lose their anniversary time, kid's graduations, weddings, and other big events.
     
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  5. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    Sorry man but I believe you're in the southern correct?

    The southern sucks ass.

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  6. scooby0048

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    Jeezus, everytime you post some obscure citation from the contract's supplements, I just sit in awe at all the disparity in the rules across the country. Some of the rules are amazing, some are absolutely absurd.
     
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  7. OKLABob

    OKLABob Active Member

    I totally agree. We have a 35 year safe driver who works all 6 weeks of his vacation and request 12 hour days must hate his family life. Also have a guy who is out on injury 8 months out of the year has 0 weeks and still posts weeks of vacation.
     
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  8. scooby0048

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    That could be avoided if they didn't make us pick vacations the year prior. This company does some backassward things everyday but the vacation selection and advanced pay are probably the most ridiculous way to do things. Even the Federal and State governments aren't that F*d up.
     
  9. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Well-Known Member

    Actually, this would all be avoided if they changed the vacation selection process as such:

    First round------all eligible drivers chose two weeks in seniority order.

    Second round-----all remaining drivers chose two weeks in seniority order.

    Third round-----all remaining drivers chose their remaining week(s) in seniority order.
     
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  10. Kanovic

    Kanovic My job is fun

    Well ain’t that a bitch.
     
  11. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    In reading that article, I doubt that applies to someone working part of a scheduled

    vacation, but probably if you are coming back after an absence of some sort.

    ie: workers comp, short-term disability, call-off, sick days.... etc.


    The reason being, is because of their vacation language;

    "In lieu of time off, employees, at their discretion, may take the pay for said weeks. However, the employee must notify the Employer during September of each year of this request."

    https://teamster.org/sites/default/files/ups18southernsupp.pdf


    There is no provision that allows them to break it up into single days or the

    ability do it "on the fly" like the Central Region language.
     
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  12. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    that’s not how seniority works
     
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  13. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    See Central region supplement. Page 240-241. Language already there.
     
  14. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    It's definitely an option.... but not mandatory.
     
  15. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    I believe it is one of three ways it can be done, changed a few contracts ago.
     
  16. scooby0048

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    That's exactly how it is done here minus the third round. The problem with us is that we are a smaller center and there are only so many slots available to take off and some of the higher seniority guys take two at a time.

    I know, not practical or feasible, but there should be a stipulation that people cannot work through their vacations.
     
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  17. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    It changed all the way back in 1990.
     
  18. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    I don't know. You're probably right but I didn't see anything that prohibited them from working a vacation week. Also that sentence being in the same paragraph as covering weekly vacant routes without excluding vacations makes it seem they can.

    Personally I would get clarification from my BA on the issue.
     
  19. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    They can work their vacation, but they have to declare it in September (for the year)

    and there is no provision for them to break up a week into separate days.


    But.... I'm not the expert on the Southern Region. ;)
     
  20. upschuck

    upschuck Well-Known Member

    Did they amend it or something, because I remember at a meeting when discussing the changes, people overreacted and thought that was how it was going to be. I wouldn't have remembered from back in '90.