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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 3719063" data-attributes="member: 63706">I guess my follow up questions/comments would be:How does being a part of the vote no movement make your arguments about the contract invalid? It&#039;s a non sequitur known as an association fallacy, which is an ad hominem attack.The matter of the leadership of the union is and always will be political. If you think the &quot;vote no&quot; folks are only taking that position because they think it will advance their careers in the union, that&#039;s one thing, and I would ask for some proof of that. But if these people are legitimately dissatisfied with the actions of the leadership, what is wrong with how they are approaching the issue? It&#039;s political? Duh, if you want to replace current leadership it has to be through political action, or possibly legal or regulatory action if applicable. The problem is that the leadership is what it is right now, and unless it takes years to ratify a new contract, there won&#039;t be another election before it does get ratified. If people legitimately do not like the contract, how else would they go about getting their views out if the official IBT stance is that the contract is good and should pass?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 3719063, member: 63706"] I guess my follow up questions/comments would be: How does being a part of the vote no movement make your arguments about the contract invalid? It's a non sequitur known as an association fallacy, which is an ad hominem attack. The matter of the leadership of the union is and always will be political. If you think the "vote no" folks are [I]only[/I] taking that position because they think it will advance their careers in the union, that's one thing, and I would ask for some proof of that. But if these people are legitimately dissatisfied with the actions of the leadership, what is wrong with how they are approaching the issue? It's political? Duh, if you want to replace current leadership it has to be through political action, or possibly legal or regulatory action if applicable. The problem is that the leadership is what it is right now, and unless it takes years to ratify a new contract, there won't be another election before it does get ratified. If people legitimately do not like the contract, how else would they go about getting their views out if the official IBT stance is that the contract is good and should pass? [/QUOTE]

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