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<blockquote data-quote="trplnkl" data-source="post: 823052" data-attributes="member: 13254"><p>Show me where I said anything about destroying unions. Fact is I did not say that. My Ex wife retired from 20+ years as a teacher with a pretty good retirement. Can she thank the union? Oh hell no, because the teachers union here does not get involved with salary negotiations or pensions, they do zero in the direction of what is normally thought as union functions. The teachers union acts as a lobbyist organization and most of the teachers here are quite satisfied. So, yea it can be done without a union. FYI, I have defended the Teamsters presence at UPS in many a debate of the "evil union". I am not anti-union but I am anti-unreasonable union.</p><p></p><p> Why should I give back the pension that I have earned? We can go back and forth with examples of both good and bad union actions, but that will not change a thing. To cut to the chase, UPS makes a hefty profit and the union negotiates a return of some of those profits for the workers wages and other compensations. No one holds a gun to the head of UPS customers and they have options of where to do business. The state, any state, makes zero profit. Following the model set by the UPS/Teamsters, the state employees would be bound to work for exactly nothing...zero pay or benefits. The government holds a virtual gun to the tax payers head and there are few, if any, options for the consumer of the states services.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="trplnkl, post: 823052, member: 13254"] Show me where I said anything about destroying unions. Fact is I did not say that. My Ex wife retired from 20+ years as a teacher with a pretty good retirement. Can she thank the union? Oh hell no, because the teachers union here does not get involved with salary negotiations or pensions, they do zero in the direction of what is normally thought as union functions. The teachers union acts as a lobbyist organization and most of the teachers here are quite satisfied. So, yea it can be done without a union. FYI, I have defended the Teamsters presence at UPS in many a debate of the "evil union". I am not anti-union but I am anti-unreasonable union. Why should I give back the pension that I have earned? We can go back and forth with examples of both good and bad union actions, but that will not change a thing. To cut to the chase, UPS makes a hefty profit and the union negotiates a return of some of those profits for the workers wages and other compensations. No one holds a gun to the head of UPS customers and they have options of where to do business. The state, any state, makes zero profit. Following the model set by the UPS/Teamsters, the state employees would be bound to work for exactly nothing...zero pay or benefits. The government holds a virtual gun to the tax payers head and there are few, if any, options for the consumer of the states services. [/QUOTE]
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