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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 374098" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I'll agree with the "in fairness to you" part and I'll totally agree that arms were flowing from Iran. To be fair to me, that was never in dispute on my part.</p><p></p><p>Bottomline for me, Iran and Saudi were using Iraq as a type of killing zone via the civil war to wage a Sunni verses Shia, Arab verses Persian war that has waged off and on for millenia. It's an age old thing that goes way back. Al Qaeda was involved but IMO they were minor players and were more a parasite having piggybacked onto a diseased host. Al Qaeda knows for one, they have no chance in hell in Iran and fact is they have no real large lasting chance in Iraq either. The longside of culture and history just flat play against them IMHO. Even Gen. Petraeus in a July 20th interview spoke of Al Qaeda shifting away from Iraq and back towards the Afghan/Pakistan frontier and in the sense of Iraq, this is a good thing.</p><p></p><p>However, Osama has used this larger theater to economicaly weaken America so longterm as this whole war has turned more economic with oil being now the primary weapon, the weaker America will become over time. Economically, we are in pretty rough shape but I do believe all things considered, if gas would drop to around $2 a gallon (I can't believe I'm saying this about $2 gas <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" />) things would start to rebound towards a positive.</p><p></p><p>This may seem completely unrelated but it really is not and ironically the testimony was before the Energy and National Security Senate Committee but this past Tuesday, T. Boone Pickens spoke before this body about the current energy situation and his plan going forward. His testimony was very informative on many levels and IMO he left no doubt on the table that by 2050' we are completely done with oil whether we like it or not and no matter what we do. But if you could for a moment step way back and look at the issue from an economic warfare issue, to me it was as obvious as the nose on mine and your face. The simple fact is, we are in that region of the world to protect the vital oil interests of this nation. We really are there to truly "Protect Our Way of Life" if you understand the underlying poliitcal wonk ideal that those words really do mean in a collective sense, and I'm not using collective in a liberal left meaning sense but in a larger general application. Don't go right wing on me! <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /></p><p></p><p>I'm gonna try and post a link to Pickens testimony before Congress and it truly is worth the 1 1/2 hour of time to watch it. Look for it in the "oil price" thread.</p><p></p><p>I think we see things a bit different in perspective in that you see this about if we don't shoot and kill them first, then they do that to us. I'd love it if it were that completely simplistic and then we just bomb them into nothingness and be done with it. From my POV the variables involved have this problem way beyond such simplicity and simplistic solution. The oil has made this region a global player and Pickens flat said $300 per barrel is in our future and it's the fact that oil is running out. As goofy and wacky as Al Gore may be with his global warming ideas, when you step back and look at the big picture, that 10 year dream to end fossel fuel use of his may turn out to be the most powerful weapon we could ever unleash on those dreaded towel heads. As much as Gore comes across to me like a snake oil salesman (I guess I never forgave him and Tipper for attacking music via that PRC) that direction of his is the direction we need to be going and the sooner the better.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 374098, member: 2189"] I'll agree with the "in fairness to you" part and I'll totally agree that arms were flowing from Iran. To be fair to me, that was never in dispute on my part. Bottomline for me, Iran and Saudi were using Iraq as a type of killing zone via the civil war to wage a Sunni verses Shia, Arab verses Persian war that has waged off and on for millenia. It's an age old thing that goes way back. Al Qaeda was involved but IMO they were minor players and were more a parasite having piggybacked onto a diseased host. Al Qaeda knows for one, they have no chance in hell in Iran and fact is they have no real large lasting chance in Iraq either. The longside of culture and history just flat play against them IMHO. Even Gen. Petraeus in a July 20th interview spoke of Al Qaeda shifting away from Iraq and back towards the Afghan/Pakistan frontier and in the sense of Iraq, this is a good thing. However, Osama has used this larger theater to economicaly weaken America so longterm as this whole war has turned more economic with oil being now the primary weapon, the weaker America will become over time. Economically, we are in pretty rough shape but I do believe all things considered, if gas would drop to around $2 a gallon (I can't believe I'm saying this about $2 gas :happy-very:) things would start to rebound towards a positive. This may seem completely unrelated but it really is not and ironically the testimony was before the Energy and National Security Senate Committee but this past Tuesday, T. Boone Pickens spoke before this body about the current energy situation and his plan going forward. His testimony was very informative on many levels and IMO he left no doubt on the table that by 2050' we are completely done with oil whether we like it or not and no matter what we do. But if you could for a moment step way back and look at the issue from an economic warfare issue, to me it was as obvious as the nose on mine and your face. The simple fact is, we are in that region of the world to protect the vital oil interests of this nation. We really are there to truly "Protect Our Way of Life" if you understand the underlying poliitcal wonk ideal that those words really do mean in a collective sense, and I'm not using collective in a liberal left meaning sense but in a larger general application. Don't go right wing on me! :happy-very: I'm gonna try and post a link to Pickens testimony before Congress and it truly is worth the 1 1/2 hour of time to watch it. Look for it in the "oil price" thread. I think we see things a bit different in perspective in that you see this about if we don't shoot and kill them first, then they do that to us. I'd love it if it were that completely simplistic and then we just bomb them into nothingness and be done with it. From my POV the variables involved have this problem way beyond such simplicity and simplistic solution. The oil has made this region a global player and Pickens flat said $300 per barrel is in our future and it's the fact that oil is running out. As goofy and wacky as Al Gore may be with his global warming ideas, when you step back and look at the big picture, that 10 year dream to end fossel fuel use of his may turn out to be the most powerful weapon we could ever unleash on those dreaded towel heads. As much as Gore comes across to me like a snake oil salesman (I guess I never forgave him and Tipper for attacking music via that PRC) that direction of his is the direction we need to be going and the sooner the better. [/QUOTE]
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