Washington Post Slam

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by tieguy, Aug 7, 2009.

  1. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Last edited: Aug 7, 2009
  2. City Driver

    City Driver New Member

    we werent forced, we just had to do it

    anyone who didnt write the letters had to have a 1 on 1 sit down closed door meeting with the center manager

    i think thats bull****, a big part of the reason i wrote it was to stay off the radar, i kinda went against my own beliefs by doing that but i see what management does to those guys
  3. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    You didn't agree with the concept of putting fdx on a level playing field?
  4. over9five

    over9five Moderator Staff Member

    They list a website where everyone's anonymous as a source????

    That's pretty laughable. Lot's of credibility at the Post....
  5. Livin the Dream?

    Livin the Dream? Disillusioned UPSer

  6. Dustyroads

    Dustyroads New Member

    I gladly participated in the letterwriting campaign as I believed that a change in the classification of FedEx was warranted, and I didn't mind doing it on the clock. However, after reading comments of some of the posters here, I have concerns that some centers placed inappropriated pressure on individuals to participate.

    Just hypothetically, I am wondering if an employee sat down on the clock and wrote a letter opposing any changes in classification, would the UPS managers have copied that person's letter and paid for the postage and envelope and mailed it for them?

    It's a bad situation when UPS takes a good idea and lets it go awry.
  7. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    Nope, I don't agree with it either. It's called Freedom.
    If you own your own business, you should be entiteled to pay what you decide.
    If you can't find any workers, then you'll raise the pay.
    Thats how the free market works.

    And those that pay more, have more loyal employees (less turn over, etc).

    Don't forget, Fedex is losing money, UPS isn't.
    If you want Fedex to lose even more, and go out of business, do you think the next contracts with Teamsters will be any better ?
    I doubt it, since they won't have a company to compare wages to, anymore.

    Monopolies aren't good for anyone.
  8. Dustyroads

    Dustyroads New Member

    Klein, down here in the lower 48 states, there is also freedom to organize labor. The letter writing campaign really was about the rights of FedEx express division workers to organize a labor union, which is pretty fundamental here in the United States.
  9. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Interesting point.

    that brings a couple (or more) questions to mind.

    1) what if a fdx and ups colluded to keep the wage scales down as non-union companies.

    2) wouldn't collective bargaining be another facet of a free market society.

    3) If you're point is correct then shouldn't we completely remove any regulatory action by the government.

    4) If the govenment interveens in a free market and imposes regulations that inhibit a totally free market society then shouldn't competing companies be subject to the same regulations?
  10. Dustyroads

    Dustyroads New Member

    Looking at that photo in the Washington Post, gosh it almost looks like that guy doesn't have a seatbelt on. Maybe it's just one of those lap belts...but maybe not.
  11. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    1) what if they kept them up as union companies did with the Auto Industry ?
    (what is good for 1, was good for the other 2).
    That didn't work, as we all know now.
    Also answers question nr 2.

    3) no, standard labour labour laws need to be in place at all times, or we'll have sweat shops or children working, etc.

    4) I agree, goverment regulations must be the same for businesses in the same branch or line of work.
  12. City Driver

    City Driver New Member

    its not even necessarily that i didnt agree or disagree with it.....i didnt have alot of knowledge about it, and they read us a 1 paragraph, completely from UPS managements point of view summary of it and expected us to write our senators

    i honestly just did it to get them off my back
  13. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    If you're giving me number 4 then you would have to agree with our letter writing campaign?
  14. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    You could be right. I haven't seen the letter. Maybe should have kept my mouth shut, but forcing Fedex to unionize?.. thats my point I wanted to make out of my comments.
  15. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    I would agree we needed to do a better job of explaining what we were doing and why.
  16. Dustyroads

    Dustyroads New Member

    Klein, there is nothing in the law or proposed law that forces FedEx to unionize....it simply gives their workers the FREEDOM (your word) to do so if they wish.
  17. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    I don't disagree with your concepts on a free market. Transportation tends to be one of the most heavily regulated industries.

    Guess the story on the yellow freight guy losing his trailer explains why:happy-very:
  18. Dustyroads

    Dustyroads New Member

    Tie, I was delivering for UPS before the deregulation of trucking in 1980....just fyi, there was never in our history anything that was responsible for more growth in ups than the 1980 deregulation of trucking.
  19. klein

    klein Für Meno :)

    Yeah, we got to think of poor salesguy, if Fedex went under.. Salesguy would be out of a job (no more competition) LOL:smart:
  20. Walkins

    Walkins New Member

    Fedex and UPS shouldn't be on the same level. Fedex's business when regulated and still true operates mainly by aircraft. Really we want trucking regulations on aircraft?