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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 912346" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>I'm in my mid-50's and when I was a kid, many hospitals were community owned and were in that sense non-profit or at least some private company didn't own the hospital so profits weren't necessary to boost a stock price. There was no stock to begin with and profits were re-invested back into the hospital or returned to various community sources from other efforts to taxpayers. Some hospitals were operated by religious organizations as were some operated by fraternal organizations and both enjoyed a non-profit status and yet I never remember once anybody screaming this was wrong or some type of communist or socialist conspiracy. This was all seen as a natural operation of free market economics and it was so to speak. In fact, in that setting, non-profit nor the fact the hospital wasn't on the stock exchange seemed quite normal and as I remember it, community owned hospitals seemed openly accepted and quite the norm.</p><p></p><p>That said, there are still some community owned, non-profit hospitals around that do quite well and one example is in Munster Indiana at <a href="http://www.comhs.org/community/history.asp" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Community Hospital</span></a>. There's also the rich history of <a href="http://www.comhs.org/stcatherine/history.asp" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">St. Catherine's</span></a> hospital in Chicago or <a href="http://www.comhs.org/stmary/history.asp" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">St. Mary</span></a> in northwest Indiana. Google community based non-profit hospital and you'll find many examples of this approach to healthcare and it's long, rich traditional approach. And let's not forget St. Jude Children's Hospital in Memphis which is also non-profit but it's tradition and legacy is known wide and far. </p><p></p><p>Another lost tradition in American culture when it comes to both health and welfare are the mutual aid societies. Mutual aid has a long, rich and successful tradition in the history of man but in the sense of mutual aid societies from religious and fraternal orders, the American tradition started in the 19th century but hit it's stride in the early 20th century. Much has been written over the years about the mutual aid of fraternal orders from a variety of sources and perspectives and the vast majority that I've read have all been positive in this broader approach. David Benito, assist. History Professor, University/Alabama has written a book, "From Mutual Aid to Welfare State, 1890' to 1967'" and he wrote a <a href="http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/from-mutual-aid-to-welfare-state" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">piece </span></a>for the Heritage Foundation on the history of the Mutual Aid and it's a good starting point on the subject. In today's context, Mutual Aid efforts would have a hard uphill struggle as the intervention of behalf of the insurance industry have written laws that act as a protectionist barrier to the benefit of the insurance industry. BTW: I think mutual aid is a means in which the state of unionism in America could re-ignite itself and in fact begin to move beyond it's servitude status to both corp. and state interests but that's another thread.</p><p></p><p>A year or so back, I read a piece about a small local mutual aid society for healthcare to the poor in New York was closed down and state insurance law was the mechanism used. The law was so written that a mutual aid society was seen as a "for profit" insurance venture and being it had not compiled with entry insurance regulations, it was shutdown. Here was a possible private effort that to a local community of poor had the potential of not just granting good basic healthcare but to the greater good of the possibility that some or all of these folks might move off a public taxpayer based system and moved to a private and self sustained healthcare system. It also emerged afterwards in further study that had New York insurance law not done the trick, federal regulations would have and this includes the new Obama healthcare system. Those who think Obamacare is the great feelgood story better do a very serious rethink as Obamacare is nothing but another corp. welfare boondoggle and wealth re-distribution and it will be our wealth re-distributed up to the 1% if you will. Those who think Obamacare is some Marxist vision to end healthcare private business for all time better wake up to see the truth that Obamacare like Romneycare are both business centric legislation from top to bottom and like good fascist economics is about building an industry cartel in which a few privileged for profit business interests will, thanks to state intervention, dominate in an almost monopoly type environment while the consumer of such will be the loser. Some people here need to seriously study and rethink the root cause of winners and losers. </p><p></p><p>Doing things local will almost become impossible from both an entry point perspective or from the case of established non-profits, the pressures to change will grow and may become to powerful to resist or overcome. No wonder so many local non-profit community hospitals from an earlier era have caved in and more will follow suit. The pressures to maintain an upward profits curve for Wall Street will push current for profits to chew up non profits while also needed an ever increasing patient base of unhealthy patients from which to profit. This also leads to industry consolidation where the choosen few grow to mega size. Opps, am I suggesting something about the current structure of healthcare industry to find causes and cure disease in people for all time?</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy2.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy2:" title="Happy2 :happy2:" data-shortname=":happy2:" /></p><p></p><p>While the so-called left or the statist of a democrat flavor need to rethink the state at the national level as it's friend, the so-called right or the statist of republican flavor need to rethink mega corporations and monolith business structures as it's friend. Both are working together as partners and we are the commodity they are buying and selling at will.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 912346, member: 2189"] I'm in my mid-50's and when I was a kid, many hospitals were community owned and were in that sense non-profit or at least some private company didn't own the hospital so profits weren't necessary to boost a stock price. There was no stock to begin with and profits were re-invested back into the hospital or returned to various community sources from other efforts to taxpayers. Some hospitals were operated by religious organizations as were some operated by fraternal organizations and both enjoyed a non-profit status and yet I never remember once anybody screaming this was wrong or some type of communist or socialist conspiracy. This was all seen as a natural operation of free market economics and it was so to speak. In fact, in that setting, non-profit nor the fact the hospital wasn't on the stock exchange seemed quite normal and as I remember it, community owned hospitals seemed openly accepted and quite the norm. That said, there are still some community owned, non-profit hospitals around that do quite well and one example is in Munster Indiana at [URL="http://www.comhs.org/community/history.asp"][COLOR=#ff0000]Community Hospital[/COLOR][/URL]. There's also the rich history of [URL="http://www.comhs.org/stcatherine/history.asp"][COLOR=#ff0000]St. Catherine's[/COLOR][/URL] hospital in Chicago or [URL="http://www.comhs.org/stmary/history.asp"][COLOR=#ff0000]St. Mary[/COLOR][/URL] in northwest Indiana. Google community based non-profit hospital and you'll find many examples of this approach to healthcare and it's long, rich traditional approach. And let's not forget St. Jude Children's Hospital in Memphis which is also non-profit but it's tradition and legacy is known wide and far. Another lost tradition in American culture when it comes to both health and welfare are the mutual aid societies. Mutual aid has a long, rich and successful tradition in the history of man but in the sense of mutual aid societies from religious and fraternal orders, the American tradition started in the 19th century but hit it's stride in the early 20th century. Much has been written over the years about the mutual aid of fraternal orders from a variety of sources and perspectives and the vast majority that I've read have all been positive in this broader approach. David Benito, assist. History Professor, University/Alabama has written a book, "From Mutual Aid to Welfare State, 1890' to 1967'" and he wrote a [URL="http://www.heritage.org/research/lecture/from-mutual-aid-to-welfare-state"][COLOR=#ff0000]piece [/COLOR][/URL]for the Heritage Foundation on the history of the Mutual Aid and it's a good starting point on the subject. In today's context, Mutual Aid efforts would have a hard uphill struggle as the intervention of behalf of the insurance industry have written laws that act as a protectionist barrier to the benefit of the insurance industry. BTW: I think mutual aid is a means in which the state of unionism in America could re-ignite itself and in fact begin to move beyond it's servitude status to both corp. and state interests but that's another thread. A year or so back, I read a piece about a small local mutual aid society for healthcare to the poor in New York was closed down and state insurance law was the mechanism used. The law was so written that a mutual aid society was seen as a "for profit" insurance venture and being it had not compiled with entry insurance regulations, it was shutdown. Here was a possible private effort that to a local community of poor had the potential of not just granting good basic healthcare but to the greater good of the possibility that some or all of these folks might move off a public taxpayer based system and moved to a private and self sustained healthcare system. It also emerged afterwards in further study that had New York insurance law not done the trick, federal regulations would have and this includes the new Obama healthcare system. Those who think Obamacare is the great feelgood story better do a very serious rethink as Obamacare is nothing but another corp. welfare boondoggle and wealth re-distribution and it will be our wealth re-distributed up to the 1% if you will. Those who think Obamacare is some Marxist vision to end healthcare private business for all time better wake up to see the truth that Obamacare like Romneycare are both business centric legislation from top to bottom and like good fascist economics is about building an industry cartel in which a few privileged for profit business interests will, thanks to state intervention, dominate in an almost monopoly type environment while the consumer of such will be the loser. Some people here need to seriously study and rethink the root cause of winners and losers. Doing things local will almost become impossible from both an entry point perspective or from the case of established non-profits, the pressures to change will grow and may become to powerful to resist or overcome. No wonder so many local non-profit community hospitals from an earlier era have caved in and more will follow suit. The pressures to maintain an upward profits curve for Wall Street will push current for profits to chew up non profits while also needed an ever increasing patient base of unhealthy patients from which to profit. This also leads to industry consolidation where the choosen few grow to mega size. Opps, am I suggesting something about the current structure of healthcare industry to find causes and cure disease in people for all time? :happy2: While the so-called left or the statist of a democrat flavor need to rethink the state at the national level as it's friend, the so-called right or the statist of republican flavor need to rethink mega corporations and monolith business structures as it's friend. Both are working together as partners and we are the commodity they are buying and selling at will. [/QUOTE]
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