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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 960361" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>Men,</p><p></p><p>I don't disagree in a general sense on welfare but in the case of native americans or indians if you like, you should go back and consider some history and then you might rethink the cause and effect. Case in point is economic professor Tom Di Lorenzo from Loyola College who said the following in an <a href="http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=99" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">article </span></a>for the Mises Institute:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>As you read the above article, you might also begin to see where the idea for relationships like the State and ATT/Verizon against LightSquared that Tex posted about got it's start. If you really delve deep into the whole issue of welfare, 2 things will jump out. First, it wasn't so much begged for as it was forced and second, it serves as a dumping point for surplus goods to be absorbed and price support for aggregate demand. </p><p></p><p>I often hear the talking point that welfare folk are going to Walmart and buying bigscreen TV's and for the moment let's accept that point as fact (there is an indirect truth to it). So, the welfare queen takes your and my private property in the form of labor converted to tax dollars and purchases a big screen TV but whose the real benefactor in this process? Walmart but do we ever hear Walmart utter a peep against the Welfare State? Walmart ever at the frontlines of a Tea Party protest? Putting major money behind Libertarian style political candidate who would end public welfare for alltime? If welfare taxation and wealth redistribution is so bad, why isn't Walmart and all the major capitalist corp. players at the fore front against the welfare state? <a href="http://i.qkme.me/353vht.jpg" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">It's why I've posed the question before!</span></a> </p><p></p><p>The public welfare state is a price support and creates a surplus demand for overproduced inventories to keep profits high by shedding the costs onto the backs of taxpayers by the use of wealth re-distribution via central planning. The other option would be to lower the overall price of the inventory but then with materials and labor costs fixed, the profits and 3rd party rent seekers would be the one to pay. And we thought capitalists couldn't be good socialist too? Tex's post on what happened to Lightsquared thanks to ATT/Verizon/State alliance is dead on the money. Kevin Carson's piece <a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20140418202550/http://c4ss.org/content/7995" target="_blank"><span style="color: #ff0000">Welfare State for the Rich</span></a> speaks well to this in a general sense.</p><p></p><p>It's easy for us to just look at the end result and blame the welfare end user as the cause but if you take the time and delve deep into this entire process, you'll begin to see those people in the end result as more the victim and they've been placed where they are (and more important kept there) as the scapegoat and fallguy so that the real culprits can get away with their scheme and never pay the price for it. In fact, we look to the captains of capitalism as leaders and experts and grant them even more power to continue doing the same and then some. And they buy and sell gov't at will and all we do is blame the people who have the least control over it all. And when you enter the voting booth, your vote regardless of which side just empowers and entrenches further the plantation system and builds the fences higher so fewer and fewer of us can escape.</p><p></p><p>Letting these people continue in power over us is like throwing Brer Rabbit into the briar patch!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 960361, member: 2189"] Men, I don't disagree in a general sense on welfare but in the case of native americans or indians if you like, you should go back and consider some history and then you might rethink the cause and effect. Case in point is economic professor Tom Di Lorenzo from Loyola College who said the following in an [URL='http://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=99'][COLOR=#ff0000]article [/COLOR][/URL]for the Mises Institute: As you read the above article, you might also begin to see where the idea for relationships like the State and ATT/Verizon against LightSquared that Tex posted about got it's start. If you really delve deep into the whole issue of welfare, 2 things will jump out. First, it wasn't so much begged for as it was forced and second, it serves as a dumping point for surplus goods to be absorbed and price support for aggregate demand. I often hear the talking point that welfare folk are going to Walmart and buying bigscreen TV's and for the moment let's accept that point as fact (there is an indirect truth to it). So, the welfare queen takes your and my private property in the form of labor converted to tax dollars and purchases a big screen TV but whose the real benefactor in this process? Walmart but do we ever hear Walmart utter a peep against the Welfare State? Walmart ever at the frontlines of a Tea Party protest? Putting major money behind Libertarian style political candidate who would end public welfare for alltime? If welfare taxation and wealth redistribution is so bad, why isn't Walmart and all the major capitalist corp. players at the fore front against the welfare state? [URL='http://i.qkme.me/353vht.jpg'][COLOR=#ff0000]It's why I've posed the question before![/COLOR][/URL] The public welfare state is a price support and creates a surplus demand for overproduced inventories to keep profits high by shedding the costs onto the backs of taxpayers by the use of wealth re-distribution via central planning. The other option would be to lower the overall price of the inventory but then with materials and labor costs fixed, the profits and 3rd party rent seekers would be the one to pay. And we thought capitalists couldn't be good socialist too? Tex's post on what happened to Lightsquared thanks to ATT/Verizon/State alliance is dead on the money. Kevin Carson's piece [URL='https://web.archive.org/web/20140418202550/http://c4ss.org/content/7995'][COLOR=#ff0000]Welfare State for the Rich[/COLOR][/URL] speaks well to this in a general sense. It's easy for us to just look at the end result and blame the welfare end user as the cause but if you take the time and delve deep into this entire process, you'll begin to see those people in the end result as more the victim and they've been placed where they are (and more important kept there) as the scapegoat and fallguy so that the real culprits can get away with their scheme and never pay the price for it. In fact, we look to the captains of capitalism as leaders and experts and grant them even more power to continue doing the same and then some. And they buy and sell gov't at will and all we do is blame the people who have the least control over it all. And when you enter the voting booth, your vote regardless of which side just empowers and entrenches further the plantation system and builds the fences higher so fewer and fewer of us can escape. Letting these people continue in power over us is like throwing Brer Rabbit into the briar patch! [/QUOTE]
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