What Does your Future look like?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by The Milkman, May 27, 2013.

  1. The Milkman

    The Milkman Well-Known Member

    Let me start by saying I retired 1-1-08 after a little over 25 yrs at age 55. At age 30 I was hired off the street F/T. Worked 1 peak in 81, then was laid off then returned Sept of 82. I felt blessed as I was working 2 jobs prior to make ends meet. I never finished HS. At the time I did not look ahead so much to think about healthcare and pension matters. I remember early on hearing yelling and screaming and cussing going on in our office. What was going on? Well a shop steward and a mgr were hashing it out. I could not understand why someone would want to argue like that. I thought UPS was a great company to be working for and was grateful for a chance to work 1 job instead of 2 with great benefits. It is a long story but how I got into UPS, being fired twice before I made book (someone saying lies etc about me). At that time after peak there was maybe 3 openings and 12 fighting for a F/T job. To make a long story short,do you remember BUD YARD? He was our District MGR back then, I went to his office in North Jersey and sat down and talked to him about how I felt I was railroaded out of a job. He said UPS always had an open door policy. He made some calls, then a couple days later I had breakfast with the District HR mgr and I had my job back. I had nothing to lose. I took a chance at UPS, quit my job as a United Steelworker for 7yrs, was going through a divorce, attorney fees , handicapped son, it looked bleak.

    Bud Yard was eventually moved to I believe a region Mgr by Detroit, then was in Atlanta as I think US Operations Mgr, you may remember him, he had a nice full head of white hair. Whenever he was in North Jersey he always made a point to come and speak to me personally without the mgrs sticking their necks in to hear our conversation.

    He gave me the break fo my life. As time went by over the yrs, and a couple of contracts. You see others retiring, You see UPS growing internationally, and you feel secure about your future. Looking back at my job at the steel mill, they had a pension and I remember saying to myself back in 75. If I work here 40 yrs i would have a $400 a month pension. That was mind blowing at the time. Now in my later 30's when the 401k plan started I signed up and it forced me to save. I did not have 2 nickels to rub together at the time. Little by little I increased my % so I built up a nice bundle by the time I hung it up. I was not a Momma's boy living at home rent free to save save save. I had my little bag of cash, enough to make a big difference when I became 55. Time flies folks.. The benefits I had back in 82 were 2nd to none. I did not think that far ahead at the time. When you are young your back and shoulders don't hurt etc. And the benefits back then were 2nd to none because of the efforts of those before me.. Now with this contract bearing down on everyone, I see some bashing the Union and some UPS. The bashers say stuff like " You should of saved, and did this and that blah blah" Well my friends someday when you retire how are your benefits going to be? Will you be a multi-millionaire? Do you have folks that will leave you a Huge inheritance? I did not have any of that, so I am on my own like many others. Some may say I am whining, I am not, I am happy were I am today, did not come into this world with any $$ and I certainly can't take it when it is Dirt nap time.

    Benefits earned during your younger yrs should come into play in your older yrs, because that's when you will need them. I hope this contract fails, for myself and all the other retirees, especially the ones who took their time to help a rookie make book. I respected All senior Drivers. WE all made UPS what it is today, and I would expect all of us to continue to make it a success, and UPS should reward all of us for our efforts bringing them to where they are today as a global player. How does your future look today? Are you starting to think like I did well before I was 55? Are you close to retirement? Will you have 2-3 million saved by then? Do your have parents that are loaded and you are the only child? Think hard, Your time will come as it did for me, Us retirees should not have to worry about benefits being givin back at this stage of our lives. Just my thoughts on all this contract stuff. I know I will be blasted or maybe not, Just telling you a little about my time at UPS and how the benefits of working there got me to where I am today. I feel for the new hires. The job market is so tough and UPS knows that many are willing to work for peanuts the way things are going, knowing that most will never get to drive.

    So the Question is to all of you, Young, Old, and in between.........What does your Future look Like..Peace:peaceful:
  2. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    My future looks so bright, I gotta wear shades. Seriously, I have things set up pretty good. Hopefully I can retire as planned at 58.
  3. DS

    DS Fenderbender

    Chicken is cheaper than cat food if you buy in bulk.
    Bulk barn has cheap macaroni.I may have to cut down on my beer consumption.
    58 yrs old now.7 years till I have 30 in.So far my body is holding up.In addition to
    the ups pension,I will get about $1000 a month from Canada pension.
    ​I don't have 2 million put away dammit.
    What was I thinking?
  4. The Milkman

    The Milkman Well-Known Member

    EH? Ds what is the deal in Canada with healthcare? After hearing about the contract down hear does it affect you guys up North and if it does, is your Government healthcare better than Obamacare?:dont_know:
  5. quamba 638

    quamba 638 Member

    When I can't physically work anyone, I'm going to throw my hands in the air and wait for the government to take care of me. I have no retirement plan.


    But that seems like the mass now-a-days. Just going through the motions of life.
  6. UPS_Broken_Dreams

    UPS_Broken_Dreams New Member

    Normally I would feel bad but I don't.. sadly I've learned the truth about how ftmers sold out Ptmers and cont. To do so, you reap what you sow. Its a dog eat dog world isn't it. Looks like you've had some nice breaks in your life, good for you. The world you came from is long dead, only greed remains and your brothers are starting to get fat Bc of it. Welcome to corporate America, I salute you.
  7. The Milkman

    The Milkman Well-Known Member

  8. brostalss

    brostalss Active Member

    My future looks good so far. I listened to my parents about all this stuff. At 18 I got a Life Insurance Policy. Nice one too. As soon as I went driving, I bought stock and put money into my 401k.
    Goal is to one day move up to Feeder and go until my house is payed off. That's currently at 24 more years.
  9. The Milkman

    The Milkman Well-Known Member

  10. anonymous6

    anonymous6 Guest

    I , for one, won't let the retirees down.
  11. realbrown1

    realbrown1 Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.

    Enough with this FULL TIMERS SOLD OUT THE PART TIMERS CRAP. Who has the numbers to rule any contract vote? Part timers out number the full timers. I have been both and have to say, the part timers just don't vote. So again, who is to blame for that?
  12. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    At least our insurance will fix your shoulder when it goes from reaching for too many handouts.
  13. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

    Some of the worst contracts in history were passed by UPS bribing part timers with a signing bonus. Quick money now but screw over future part timers. Many full timers were against it and tried to explain it to the part timers but those contracts passed largely due to the part timers who did vote. So a large part of the blame goes to part timers in the past, NOT full timers who didn't care.
  14. UPS_Broken_Dreams

    UPS_Broken_Dreams New Member

    I'm sure you can afford to pay union dues but most can't. Ptmers will start voting when they can afford to do so but no one really wants that, do they? $8.50 for a union job is beyond pathetic and I will continue to speak my mind until it changes. Your union brothers have no voice. Will you speak for them?
  15. UPS_Broken_Dreams

    UPS_Broken_Dreams New Member

    I'm sorry but do you have a link to prove this? I find it funny that part timers have always been out number by ftmers when it comes to voting but yet your telling me they all came together one contract to get a signing bonus? So was this a sign the contract bonus or a sign on bonus?
  16. Joseph Grimm

    Joseph Grimm Member

    What is my future like? UPS asking more effort, and more time- but in less time.
    ​Thanks for building the company. I stand on your shoulders with gratitude.
  17. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    I believe it was 1982----FTers for $1K and PTers got $500. This contract was the start of the decline in PT wages as compared to FT wages.
  18. pretender

    pretender Active Member

    Excellent point--I had forgotten about that.
  19. cachsux

    cachsux Wah

    Several contracts tossed out a bonus. You can talk people into driving off a cliff if there's a big enough (to them) bonus.
  20. pretender

    pretender Active Member

    It was under totally different circumstances, but I had a similar experience with the Michigan District Manager when I was part time. I felt as though I had been unfairly passed over for a F/T driving job. I gave him a call, and even though I had only briefly met him several months previous, he remembered who I was. I explained/plead my case to him, and the next week I was in Orientation. It was a different company back then...