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<blockquote data-quote="hypocrisy" data-source="post: 787712" data-attributes="member: 9500"><p>To a member who felt he did not receive fair representation (not by me, but I agreed with him) and I was present when he was told this. He attempted to file several NLRB actions and the 'fair representation' motion was shot down cold. He had a Steward present at his termination meeting and a Business Agent represented him at his panel hearing. Cold hard reality meeting idealistic notions can be ugly. </p><p></p><p>Personally, if I have a non-member who comes to me for representation and I think they have character and potential, I will usually use the opportunity to show them what the Union can do for them- once. If they just blow me off then they get the bare minimum from then on. Those type of people are good at hanging themselves anyway. </p><p></p><p>To the OP: The whole idea of removing closed shops etc was to castrate Unions. Unions are always at a disadvantage financially compared to the employer so this further widens that gap by reducing the dues collected. It doesn't give the Union any strength at the bargaining table if say only 50% of your workforce actually belongs to the Union that is threatening to strike during a difficult contract negotiation. Rarely will you get 100% participation in a strike and if half are already virtually guaranteed to stay on the job you can bet the other 50% aren't going to walk. </p><p></p><p>While I get where you're coming from as far as freedom of association, you have to remember that American's seem to be more than willing to 'get something for nothing' and not worry about the long term consequences. I'd encourage you to do more research about the effect Unionism has on wages etc and I think you'll find you wouldn't feel so bad about being required to join a Union. It's not like just because you become a Teamster you have to register as a Democrat and vote that way (I'm not and I don't). You certainly don't have to agree with everything it stands for. You can always participate and work to change whatever you don't like. </p><p></p><p>As an aside, it's kind of funny to me that I bet if you added it up, more people are forced to be members of HOA's than Unions, and that is a fairly recent phenomenon that should have never happened if freedom of association was such a dearly held belief.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hypocrisy, post: 787712, member: 9500"] To a member who felt he did not receive fair representation (not by me, but I agreed with him) and I was present when he was told this. He attempted to file several NLRB actions and the 'fair representation' motion was shot down cold. He had a Steward present at his termination meeting and a Business Agent represented him at his panel hearing. Cold hard reality meeting idealistic notions can be ugly. Personally, if I have a non-member who comes to me for representation and I think they have character and potential, I will usually use the opportunity to show them what the Union can do for them- once. If they just blow me off then they get the bare minimum from then on. Those type of people are good at hanging themselves anyway. To the OP: The whole idea of removing closed shops etc was to castrate Unions. Unions are always at a disadvantage financially compared to the employer so this further widens that gap by reducing the dues collected. It doesn't give the Union any strength at the bargaining table if say only 50% of your workforce actually belongs to the Union that is threatening to strike during a difficult contract negotiation. Rarely will you get 100% participation in a strike and if half are already virtually guaranteed to stay on the job you can bet the other 50% aren't going to walk. While I get where you're coming from as far as freedom of association, you have to remember that American's seem to be more than willing to 'get something for nothing' and not worry about the long term consequences. I'd encourage you to do more research about the effect Unionism has on wages etc and I think you'll find you wouldn't feel so bad about being required to join a Union. It's not like just because you become a Teamster you have to register as a Democrat and vote that way (I'm not and I don't). You certainly don't have to agree with everything it stands for. You can always participate and work to change whatever you don't like. As an aside, it's kind of funny to me that I bet if you added it up, more people are forced to be members of HOA's than Unions, and that is a fairly recent phenomenon that should have never happened if freedom of association was such a dearly held belief. [/QUOTE]
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