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<blockquote data-quote="hypocrisy" data-source="post: 787989" data-attributes="member: 9500"><p>I see the misunderstanding. I should have said <em>employees in a non-union company have no other option other than to quit or be fired and pursue expensive litigation later.</em></p><p></p><p>You don't seem to have a real perspective about what representation is all about. If a non-member has a seniority violation or some other typical contract issue, he has the right to file a grievance and it will be processed the same as any other grievance because to allow those violations to continue would harm everyone. However, when the non-union employee approaches me, I have no duty to hold his hand and walk him/her through the procedure. I don't even have any duty to provide them with a grievance form (I'll tell them to go down to the hall and get one, same as I do when they want a contract). If they go into a disciplinary meeting my only duty is to see that they are disciplined in accordance with the contract. There is no duty of what I like to call "vigorous representation". So in the legal sense, they are properly represented. I guess it's one of those things you learn in life that there are no free rides and no handouts. Jonfrum hasn't said he's a steward, so he can think what he wants about the legal requirements to represent non-members. I've been a steward for more than 15 years and attended several conferences put on by labor attorneys where this issues was specifically addressed so that is what I base my actions on, not simply my distaste for bottom feeders. </p><p></p><p>Now back to your game of trying to play each of us against each other using loaded verbiage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="hypocrisy, post: 787989, member: 9500"] I see the misunderstanding. I should have said [I]employees in a non-union company have no other option other than to quit or be fired and pursue expensive litigation later.[/I] You don't seem to have a real perspective about what representation is all about. If a non-member has a seniority violation or some other typical contract issue, he has the right to file a grievance and it will be processed the same as any other grievance because to allow those violations to continue would harm everyone. However, when the non-union employee approaches me, I have no duty to hold his hand and walk him/her through the procedure. I don't even have any duty to provide them with a grievance form (I'll tell them to go down to the hall and get one, same as I do when they want a contract). If they go into a disciplinary meeting my only duty is to see that they are disciplined in accordance with the contract. There is no duty of what I like to call "vigorous representation". So in the legal sense, they are properly represented. I guess it's one of those things you learn in life that there are no free rides and no handouts. Jonfrum hasn't said he's a steward, so he can think what he wants about the legal requirements to represent non-members. I've been a steward for more than 15 years and attended several conferences put on by labor attorneys where this issues was specifically addressed so that is what I base my actions on, not simply my distaste for bottom feeders. Now back to your game of trying to play each of us against each other using loaded verbiage. [/QUOTE]
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