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<blockquote data-quote="SloppyJoes7" data-source="post: 789705" data-attributes="member: 31997"><p>As I briefly explained earlier, my position has to do with fair and free competition in business. Brilliance and hard work are rewarded, laziness and incompetence are punished. Unions tend to equalize everyone, making it more difficult to reward the extraordinary and punish the inefficient. In general, this makes companies less productive, and less efficient. As you can tell, my focus is efficiency. I think unions tend to make companies less efficient, thus less profitable, thus employees and owners make less.</p><p>I think the problem with unions was shown with GM and Chrysler, who recently failed. Utterly failed. They were bankrupt, and deep in debt. The promised pensions, benefits, and employment contracts were utterly unaffordable. This seems to be a trend with unions. Huge promises and payouts, which in the<strong> long term</strong>, prove to be unrealistic. In the case of some unions, those who get in early are paid for by the <strong>next </strong>generation. This is truly the case with GM and Chrysler. I also know it is the case with government workers and teacher's unions, (which have recently been bailed out in Colorado).</p><p></p><p>So, you're right, in that union members can consider themselves as benefiting. The union helps them. At what cost? By making <strong>others </strong>pay for their retirement. I would sacrifice these benefits, <u><strong>for the </strong><strong>sake of efficiency and fairness</strong></u>. Because I consider efficiency more important than trying to benefit myself at the expense of others, on principle. And yet, anti-union people are the ones being accused of being selfish. How ironic.</p><p></p><p>Please note, I'm not addressing the UPS union directly. My opinion is based on GM, Chrysler, government, and teacher's unions. It is also a real problem with employers who offer defined benefits plans. I'm fine with 401k plans. (I've heard more examples, but these are the only ones I can remember right now. I've heard of several other companies had to cut back benefits to current employees, because the older/retired employees had massive retirement plans, which had to now be subsidized by current workers. That is, new hires got lower benefits AND had to pay for the benefits of others.)</p><p></p><p></p><p>You are wrong.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SloppyJoes7, post: 789705, member: 31997"] As I briefly explained earlier, my position has to do with fair and free competition in business. Brilliance and hard work are rewarded, laziness and incompetence are punished. Unions tend to equalize everyone, making it more difficult to reward the extraordinary and punish the inefficient. In general, this makes companies less productive, and less efficient. As you can tell, my focus is efficiency. I think unions tend to make companies less efficient, thus less profitable, thus employees and owners make less. I think the problem with unions was shown with GM and Chrysler, who recently failed. Utterly failed. They were bankrupt, and deep in debt. The promised pensions, benefits, and employment contracts were utterly unaffordable. This seems to be a trend with unions. Huge promises and payouts, which in the[B] long term[/B], prove to be unrealistic. In the case of some unions, those who get in early are paid for by the [B]next [/B]generation. This is truly the case with GM and Chrysler. I also know it is the case with government workers and teacher's unions, (which have recently been bailed out in Colorado). So, you're right, in that union members can consider themselves as benefiting. The union helps them. At what cost? By making [B]others [/B]pay for their retirement. I would sacrifice these benefits, [U][B]for the [/B][B]sake of efficiency and fairness[/B][/U]. Because I consider efficiency more important than trying to benefit myself at the expense of others, on principle. And yet, anti-union people are the ones being accused of being selfish. How ironic. Please note, I'm not addressing the UPS union directly. My opinion is based on GM, Chrysler, government, and teacher's unions. It is also a real problem with employers who offer defined benefits plans. I'm fine with 401k plans. (I've heard more examples, but these are the only ones I can remember right now. I've heard of several other companies had to cut back benefits to current employees, because the older/retired employees had massive retirement plans, which had to now be subsidized by current workers. That is, new hires got lower benefits AND had to pay for the benefits of others.) You are wrong. [/QUOTE]
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