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<blockquote data-quote="brownIEman" data-source="post: 794446" data-attributes="member: 14596"><p>Well, you are incorrect. It is, in part, the union that does those things. The union helps to create the business environment UPS operates in. In this case, UPS pays more than any of its competitors, so it must get more from its workers or it will not remain profitable. UPS business plan in a nutshell is pay heaps of money, and get the return on that investment by pushing, pushing, pushing for more production and doing anything necessary to get rid of those who will not give it. UPS would not survive much less be profitable by giving the payout it does yet accepting the lower level of production other companies get. You can't have one without the other. The union demanded the one, in effect they were also demanding the other.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>He was not speaking about promotion to management. That is up to the company and can be based on exceptional performance and skills. As for promotion from say hub pt to driving full time, he is correct, the union has insisted it is based solely on time in. So the slug who has gotten exceptional only at skipping off to the bathroom when a supervisor approaches, forcing his brothers to pick up his slack will get a promotion before the young kid just hired who is smart, motivated, organized, understands addressing intuitively and is the safest most efficient driver on the earth. Just the way it is.</p><p> </p><p>Sounds like the union is out of whack. How can they be allowing good workers to be fired every day when they fight tooth and nail to make it as difficult as possible to fire the guy that no-call/no-shows a minimum of 3 times a month, is late on average once a week, calls in sick about once a week. Or the guy who has to leave early due to feeling ill EVERY Friday. The sorter who comes in hung-over once a week and mis sorts about 100 pieces in an hour. Or the driver who sexually harassed his female helper. I could go on, and these are not hypothetical examples.</p><p></p><p></p><p>The union fights for the wages that it gets for its members, and agrees to ALL of them at contract time. You cannot on one hand applaud the union for fighting for your high pay and benefits package and on the other say the lower pay for younger employees is all the companies fault.</p><p> </p><p></p><p>Not even sure where you are coming from here. Your first sentence is 100% correct. If you read UPS' prospectus to potential investors, you will find your second sentence is 100% wrong. UPS makes no such promise. </p><p> </p><p>This is an interesting and ironic stance. If UPS had laid no-one off during the last couple years when volume has gone down, UPS would not have made any profit. It is the ability to lay people off to control costs when volume, the work for people to do, goes down that allows UPS to stay profitable. Keeping on paying people when there is not work for them to do is one of the things that the UAW actually got GM to agree to in its contract negotiations. Any guesses how that worked out?</p><p></p><p>no argument here</p><p> </p><p>Unions do plenty of lobbying of their own. I believe the IBT's political action comitte takes in about twice in receipts what UPS' does. Ironically, both PAC's monies have been spent in the past to enable UPS to better compete in the infrastructure that enables the shipping of jobs overseas, cause it helps UPS to create teamster jobs here. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>Fedex cannot prevent their workers from joining a union. If the effort was put forth and the will was there, it could be done. You just gotta get 50% of them nation wide on board. Difficult? Of course. Impossible? I doubt it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="brownIEman, post: 794446, member: 14596"] Well, you are incorrect. It is, in part, the union that does those things. The union helps to create the business environment UPS operates in. In this case, UPS pays more than any of its competitors, so it must get more from its workers or it will not remain profitable. UPS business plan in a nutshell is pay heaps of money, and get the return on that investment by pushing, pushing, pushing for more production and doing anything necessary to get rid of those who will not give it. UPS would not survive much less be profitable by giving the payout it does yet accepting the lower level of production other companies get. You can't have one without the other. The union demanded the one, in effect they were also demanding the other. He was not speaking about promotion to management. That is up to the company and can be based on exceptional performance and skills. As for promotion from say hub pt to driving full time, he is correct, the union has insisted it is based solely on time in. So the slug who has gotten exceptional only at skipping off to the bathroom when a supervisor approaches, forcing his brothers to pick up his slack will get a promotion before the young kid just hired who is smart, motivated, organized, understands addressing intuitively and is the safest most efficient driver on the earth. Just the way it is. Sounds like the union is out of whack. How can they be allowing good workers to be fired every day when they fight tooth and nail to make it as difficult as possible to fire the guy that no-call/no-shows a minimum of 3 times a month, is late on average once a week, calls in sick about once a week. Or the guy who has to leave early due to feeling ill EVERY Friday. The sorter who comes in hung-over once a week and mis sorts about 100 pieces in an hour. Or the driver who sexually harassed his female helper. I could go on, and these are not hypothetical examples. The union fights for the wages that it gets for its members, and agrees to ALL of them at contract time. You cannot on one hand applaud the union for fighting for your high pay and benefits package and on the other say the lower pay for younger employees is all the companies fault. Not even sure where you are coming from here. Your first sentence is 100% correct. If you read UPS' prospectus to potential investors, you will find your second sentence is 100% wrong. UPS makes no such promise. This is an interesting and ironic stance. If UPS had laid no-one off during the last couple years when volume has gone down, UPS would not have made any profit. It is the ability to lay people off to control costs when volume, the work for people to do, goes down that allows UPS to stay profitable. Keeping on paying people when there is not work for them to do is one of the things that the UAW actually got GM to agree to in its contract negotiations. Any guesses how that worked out? no argument here Unions do plenty of lobbying of their own. I believe the IBT's political action comitte takes in about twice in receipts what UPS' does. Ironically, both PAC's monies have been spent in the past to enable UPS to better compete in the infrastructure that enables the shipping of jobs overseas, cause it helps UPS to create teamster jobs here. Fedex cannot prevent their workers from joining a union. If the effort was put forth and the will was there, it could be done. You just gotta get 50% of them nation wide on board. Difficult? Of course. Impossible? I doubt it. [/QUOTE]
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