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What is the UPS end game with the current health care proposal?
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<blockquote data-quote="InsideUPS" data-source="post: 1093847" data-attributes="member: 31414"><p>You bring up an interesting point, and one that is not really understood by many UPS Teamsters today. I do believe the 97 strike was primarily over control of the Central States pension fund. Using "part-time" America as the cause was used to gain public support by Carey/Hall. This PR "move" worked well for the Union. The strike in all aspects was successful and well received by the public. In regard to your comment "in the long run mostly went the way UPS wanted".........That would be under the leadership of Mr. Hoffa, not Ron Carey...</p><p> </p><p>There is NO easy answer for us or our Union officials. While we all can criticize, none of us put in hall position could do any better. Like it or not, UPS Teamsters are part of an overall Union that supports many other different companies, trades, etc. As you may know, multi-employer pension funds do not always benefit those that are contributing the most. It's quite easy to see what happens to the Teamsters Union if all of the UPS pension funds stop contributing to the multi-employer fund. That is a time when you really will want to call on God for help. </p><p></p><p>Here are the facts:</p><p></p><p>1) There are UPS Teamsters that would like to stop contributing to the Teamster pension fund and either have a UPS single employer fund or have their contributions placed in their own 401k, Roth, etc...</p><p></p><p>2) There are UPS Teamsters that believe in the strength of a Union and want to continue contributing as is to the multi-employer pension fund.</p><p></p><p>Some of the questions we really have to ask ourselves are:</p><p></p><p>a) Would you work at UPS if we did not have a Union?</p><p>b) Do you think that we would have the pay and benefits we have today if it were not for the Union?</p><p></p><p>If you answered "yes" to BOTH of the questions, you are either delusional or are an excellent candidate to go into management.</p><p></p><p>If you answered "no" to either of the questions, you really need to support the Union in some manner. You really don't always have to agree with the Union, but at the end of the day, I would not want to put my livelihood, solely in the hands of greedy Corporate executives like Scott Davis. You and I are strictly LIABILITIES in the eyes of this man.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="InsideUPS, post: 1093847, member: 31414"] You bring up an interesting point, and one that is not really understood by many UPS Teamsters today. I do believe the 97 strike was primarily over control of the Central States pension fund. Using "part-time" America as the cause was used to gain public support by Carey/Hall. This PR "move" worked well for the Union. The strike in all aspects was successful and well received by the public. In regard to your comment "in the long run mostly went the way UPS wanted".........That would be under the leadership of Mr. Hoffa, not Ron Carey... There is NO easy answer for us or our Union officials. While we all can criticize, none of us put in hall position could do any better. Like it or not, UPS Teamsters are part of an overall Union that supports many other different companies, trades, etc. As you may know, multi-employer pension funds do not always benefit those that are contributing the most. It's quite easy to see what happens to the Teamsters Union if all of the UPS pension funds stop contributing to the multi-employer fund. That is a time when you really will want to call on God for help. Here are the facts: 1) There are UPS Teamsters that would like to stop contributing to the Teamster pension fund and either have a UPS single employer fund or have their contributions placed in their own 401k, Roth, etc... 2) There are UPS Teamsters that believe in the strength of a Union and want to continue contributing as is to the multi-employer pension fund. Some of the questions we really have to ask ourselves are: a) Would you work at UPS if we did not have a Union? b) Do you think that we would have the pay and benefits we have today if it were not for the Union? If you answered "yes" to BOTH of the questions, you are either delusional or are an excellent candidate to go into management. If you answered "no" to either of the questions, you really need to support the Union in some manner. You really don't always have to agree with the Union, but at the end of the day, I would not want to put my livelihood, solely in the hands of greedy Corporate executives like Scott Davis. You and I are strictly LIABILITIES in the eyes of this man. [/QUOTE]
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