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What is the UPS end game with the current health care proposal?
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<blockquote data-quote="PiedmontSteward" data-source="post: 1094423" data-attributes="member: 42270"><p>How did we 'lose' the pension? The Central States fiasco was a mess largely caused by deregulation of the trucking industry initiated by the Carter and Reagan administrations. The National Master Freight Agreement went from covering 14,000 trucking companies in 1964 to essentially two by 2004. All of those companies that went belly-up as the independent operator scam took hold were no longer contributing to the fund; UPS felt they were making contributions that weren't going to their employees and the IBT allowed a negotiated withdrawal. Do I like that? No. Do I think it's right? Not really. Is there more going on there than you or I know about? Absolutely. </p><p></p><p>'Constant harassment' is something you have to be willing to tackle as a rank-and-file member. Once you sock them in the lip with grievances and show you're not scared of them, they almost always back down. Is it an issue? Absolutely - harassment is one of the biggest problems at UPS. But at the end of the day, I can't find you a backbone - maybe you should check eBay. </p><p></p><p>What do you mean by 'no freedom'? From a union perspective, you are allowed to vote on all local officers every 3 years (depending on by-laws) and the national slate every 5 years. If you're referring to the work place - well, welcome to America. The 1st Amendment does not apply in the American work place; that's in large part due to our culture (especially in the South) of being willing to eat <img src="http://*" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="http://*" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="http://*" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /><img src="http://*" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> for a living and shuffling our feet for the bossman. </p><p></p><p>I don't know what you're talking about when you say there's no accountability for grievances. There is a system in place that the company periodically abuses to slow things down. Are grievances sometimes put on hold longer than they should be? Absolutely; the system is not perfect. Personally, I think we should be able to strike over grievances deadlocked at the national panels, but that's a right that was taken away from us (unless you're in Local 705) a generation ago by people no longer in charge. Job actions (strikes, slow downs, work-to-rule, sit-downs, etc.) independent of labor contracts expiring have been funneled through the NLRB/grievance process since they were created and formalized, respectfully - that's how the system works. It's designed to slow things down - that's simply the nature of organized labor in the US today. If you don't like it, vote for people that will fix it. </p><p></p><p>Are the IBT national staff overpaid? Probably. I don't like the fact that some IBT reps draw two or three salaries; but again, if you don't like it, vote for people that will fix it. That's how union democracy works. My local officers/agents haven't had a raise in several years; while my BA is paid fairly well, there are feeder drivers in our local that make more a year than he does and they aren't essentially on call 24/7 and 7 days a week. </p><p></p><p>Stop getting your anti-union rhetoric from the Koch Brothers and do some reading.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="PiedmontSteward, post: 1094423, member: 42270"] How did we 'lose' the pension? The Central States fiasco was a mess largely caused by deregulation of the trucking industry initiated by the Carter and Reagan administrations. The National Master Freight Agreement went from covering 14,000 trucking companies in 1964 to essentially two by 2004. All of those companies that went belly-up as the independent operator scam took hold were no longer contributing to the fund; UPS felt they were making contributions that weren't going to their employees and the IBT allowed a negotiated withdrawal. Do I like that? No. Do I think it's right? Not really. Is there more going on there than you or I know about? Absolutely. 'Constant harassment' is something you have to be willing to tackle as a rank-and-file member. Once you sock them in the lip with grievances and show you're not scared of them, they almost always back down. Is it an issue? Absolutely - harassment is one of the biggest problems at UPS. But at the end of the day, I can't find you a backbone - maybe you should check eBay. What do you mean by 'no freedom'? From a union perspective, you are allowed to vote on all local officers every 3 years (depending on by-laws) and the national slate every 5 years. If you're referring to the work place - well, welcome to America. The 1st Amendment does not apply in the American work place; that's in large part due to our culture (especially in the South) of being willing to eat [IMG]*[/IMG][IMG]*[/IMG][IMG]*[/IMG][IMG]*[/IMG] for a living and shuffling our feet for the bossman. I don't know what you're talking about when you say there's no accountability for grievances. There is a system in place that the company periodically abuses to slow things down. Are grievances sometimes put on hold longer than they should be? Absolutely; the system is not perfect. Personally, I think we should be able to strike over grievances deadlocked at the national panels, but that's a right that was taken away from us (unless you're in Local 705) a generation ago by people no longer in charge. Job actions (strikes, slow downs, work-to-rule, sit-downs, etc.) independent of labor contracts expiring have been funneled through the NLRB/grievance process since they were created and formalized, respectfully - that's how the system works. It's designed to slow things down - that's simply the nature of organized labor in the US today. If you don't like it, vote for people that will fix it. Are the IBT national staff overpaid? Probably. I don't like the fact that some IBT reps draw two or three salaries; but again, if you don't like it, vote for people that will fix it. That's how union democracy works. My local officers/agents haven't had a raise in several years; while my BA is paid fairly well, there are feeder drivers in our local that make more a year than he does and they aren't essentially on call 24/7 and 7 days a week. Stop getting your anti-union rhetoric from the Koch Brothers and do some reading. [/QUOTE]
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