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Message: <blockquote data-quote="scratch" data-source="post: 498692" data-attributes="member: 1674">I took a pic of that too! I hate P8s with a passion. I drove my first 22 years with manual steering and a stick shift, I don't mind that. But climbing in and out of those mid 1980s P800 and P1000s is nothing but torture on your body. Whoever designed these cars deserves a special place in the underworld. Theres no telling how many injuries these have caused over the years. The handholds are too high, my arm was extended all the way when I grabbed it. I found myself grabbing the door frame at a lower height to pull myself up into the cab. I will take the 14" bottom step in my P7 anyday over a 22" P8 or P10.<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/knockedout.png"  class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":knockedout:" title="Knockedout    :knockedout:" data-shortname=":knockedout:" />[ATTACH=full]1294[/ATTACH]</blockquote>