While We Fear the Crazies in the Middle East......

[wkmac]

We always ignore the crazies in our own backyard.

In December 1980' the British House of Commons held debate on the situation in the Falklands and during the debate Mr. Julian Amery (Brighton, Pavilion) made a somewhat interesting observation in the context of looking back 30 years later.

Mr Julian Amery (Brighton, Pavilion)
Is my Honourable Friend aware that his statement is profoundly disturbing? Is he also aware, certainly the Falkland Islanders are, that for years - and here I speak from some experience - his Department has wanted to get rid of this commitment? Is he further aware that it is almost always a great mistake to get rid of real estate for nothing, that the Falkland Islands may have an important part to play in the future of the South Atlantic and that admitting that the interests of the inhabitants and their wishes must be paramount, there is also a considerable British interest in maintaining this commitment, which is probably much cheaper to maintain than it is to lose? Will my Honourable Friend look back at the cost to us in terms of oil prices of the surrender of Aden and the Persian Gulf?

When we consider what is known now about the Falklands, one is prone to ask what might have been known then to push Mad Maggie to threaten such ultimate extremes against another European "declining" Neo-Colonial power. And also thus again, we find in the background of a major military conflict, the presence of oil!

 

[bbsam]

There's no oil in Afganistan.

 

[bbsam]

Nor in Pakistan.

 

[moreluck]

Since the first oil field was discovered in Afghanistan in 1959, more than 150 million barrels of oil (mmbo) reserves and more than 4,500 billion cubic feet of gas (bcfg) reserves have been identified, using Soviet methodologies and technologies, in 29 fields in the Afghan portion of the Amu Darya and Afghan-Tajik basins (fig. 3). Only a very small portion of this reported resource base has been exploited. The country has not been well explored for oil and gas potential using the latest techniques. There is enormous opportunity for further discoveries to add to Afghanistan's energy resource base. That resource base is essential to the economic development of the country.

Here's more https://web.archive.org/web/20090626063052/http://afghanistan.cr.usgs.gov/oil.php

 

[bbsam]

Since the first oil field was discovered in Afghanistan in 1959, more than 150 million barrels of oil (mmbo) reserves and more than 4,500 billion cubic feet of gas (bcfg) reserves have been identified, using Soviet methodologies and technologies, in 29 fields in the Afghan portion of the Amu Darya and Afghan-Tajik basins (fig. 3). Only a very small portion of this reported resource base has been exploited. The country has not been well explored for oil and gas potential using the latest techniques. There is enormous opportunity for further discoveries to add to Afghanistan's energy resource base. That resource base is essential to the economic development of the country.

Here's more https://web.archive.org/web/20090626063052/http://afghanistan.cr.usgs.gov/oil.php

Hmmmmm. And I thought the emphasis on Afganistan had to do with proximity to Pakistan and the Nukes we don't want falling into the wrong hands. Very interesting.

 

[Lue C Fur]

Hmmmmm. And I thought the emphasis on Afganistan had to do with proximity to Pakistan and the Nukes we don't want falling into the wrong hands. Very interesting.

Yup, its all about oil. Just like Bush...Obama is after the oil. LMAO!!!

 

[bbsam]

Yup, its all about oil. Just like Bush...Obama is after the oil. LMAO!!!

Actually, I'm all for that. Secure the oil fields and "drill baby drill". Let the locals battle it out.

 

[tieguy]

There's no oil in Afganistan.

how can that be? Everyone knows the war has always been about oil?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

There's no oil in Afganistan.

Despite a lengthy history of small-scale mining of gems, gold, copper, and coal, systematic exploration of Afghanistan's mineral resources did not begin until the 1960s. In the 1970s Afghanistan was discovered to have a wide variety of mineral resources, but only coal, iron ore, copper ore, and gemstones were targeted for development. Natural gas fields are scattered throughout much of Afghanistan. Recent analysis by the United States Geological Survey has indicated significant unexploited oil reserves in the north as well. After their invasion of Afghanistan in 1979, the Soviets endeavored to export some of the country's resources to the USSR. Natural gas, for example, was exported by pipeline across the Amu Darya into the USSR in the 1980s. Ongoing hostilities, however, severely hampered this effort and finally cut off the natural gas export. By the mid-1990s there was little mineral or oil and gas extraction.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Nor in Pakistan.

Pakistan Natural resources: land, extensive natural gas reserves, limited petroleum, poor quality coal, iron ore, copper, salt, limestone

 

[wkmac]

If Iran having any nuclear technology is bad, what is it called when the country that gave us the 9/11 hijackers is given this same technology?

Not to mention these same US interests signed an agreement to technology share with a known Iranian transshipment source.

 

[tonyexpress]

How about terrorists killing terrorist?

'Jihadis' Have Hamas Running Scared in Gaza Strip

Hamas -- the Palestinian militant group whose history of violence toward Israel landed it on the United States' terror list -- seems to be dealing with its own terrorism problem.

If this spreads we can bring everyone home!! Peace at last!

 

[Lue C Fur]

How about terrorists killing terrorist?

'Jihadis' Have Hamas Running Scared in Gaza Strip

Hamas -- the Palestinian militant group whose history of violence toward Israel landed it on the United States' terror list -- seems to be dealing with its own terrorism problem.

If this spreads we can bring everyone home!! Peace at last!

Terrorists that kill Terrorists...whats next...Chavez and "Im-a-nut-job" (iran Dictator) getting a divorce., or maybe Janeane Garofalo/Ann Coulter love fest. What is the world comming too...LMAO!!!

 

[wkmac]

How about terrorists killing terrorist?

'Jihadis' Have Hamas Running Scared in Gaza Strip

Hamas -- the Palestinian militant group whose history of violence toward Israel landed it on the United States' terror list -- seems to be dealing with its own terrorism problem.

If this spreads we can bring everyone home!! Peace at last!

This region, this religion if you will has a history of internal disagreements, conflicts and even war so yes, if we get out of the middle of this whole mess I do believe this history of conflict will settle in from time to time as a way of life. This is another reason where the west were just idiots to introduce weaponry of any kind in the region but it just goes to show how both western interests as well as former communist block leaders China and Russia all jockey/jockeyed to exploit this region for it's natural resources for it's own purposes. We may all one day pay dearly for allowing our leaders to make such national choices.

This natural internal conflict is also why, left completely isolated to their own, their ability on their own to organize into a cohesive force for some global domination is all but impossible. Even when they had the Ottoman Empire, they were never a global threat in real terms and even then over the history of the empire, there were internal conflicts where parties were sent away from the supper table for some timeout in their rooms.

As you mentioned Gaza, this also is a major bone of contention obviously but I recently ran across an interesting piece published by "Jews for Justice in the Middle East" concerning the history and region in this part of the world. Very fascinating and educational IMO and I'm very appreciatve of their efforts and others who bring a lesser voice forward in the shrill that is called public discussion these days. My thanks also to Alison Weir for her courage.

 

[wkmac]

As to Iran having or being capable of building a nuke weapon, this article from "The Free Library" was rather interesting.

BTW: Major News Flash. Iranians have been caught in posession of Saddam Hussein's old atomic lab used to create the nuke weapons we knew Saddam posessed!

 

[Babagounj]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127080

[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]25 years for touching Quran before washing hands

[/FONT] [FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Defendants say charges trumped up by Muslim radicals

[/FONT] the life term was imposed on Imran Masih, 22, of Faisalabad after he was convicted under the notorious Section 295-B of Pakistan's legal code, which bans "blasphemy" against Islam

 

[moreluck]

Gee, I wonder what the punishment is for splashing bacon grease on the Koran ??? That stuff goes everywhere!

 

[wkmac]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=127080

[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]25 years for touching Quran before washing hands[/FONT]

[FONT=Palatino, Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]Defendants say charges trumped up by Muslim radicals[/FONT]

the life term was imposed on Imran Masih, 22, of Faisalabad after he was convicted under the notorious Section 295-B of Pakistan's legal code, which bans "blasphemy" against Islam

[video=youtube;LatoXQaRyw8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatoXQaRyw8[/video]


or this


[video=youtube;LACyLTsH4ac]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LACyLTsH4ac[/video]

I wonder what these people would do concerning the bible if they were in charge? If you think the same extremism in religion isn't here as well, we're only fooling ourselves.

Do we dare talk about Molotov Mitchell at WND and some of his views?
[video=youtube;EmWdExg4kic]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmWdExg4kic&feature=player_embedded[/video]

How again does this differ from the folks who declare dirty hands on a book is worthy of 25 years in jail?


I wonder just how hard some good "christian" would have to talk to persuade one of those good little christian girls or boys to strap on a bomb and kill the satan lovers in the name of Jesus? Then again, I can see why some of you guys eat this stuff up!

[video=youtube;fxdt_f0hwUg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxdt_f0hwUg&feature=related[/video]

 

[Jones]

I saw "Jesus Camp" in it's entirety, interesting movie to say the least.

 

[wkmac]

To say the least!