White Guilt - Getting Beyond Race

Discussion in 'Current Events' started by Old Man Jingles, Jul 25, 2018.

  1. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    Shelby Steele has been discussing this for 30 years or more ...

    White Guilt - How Blacks and Whites Together Destroyed the Promise of the Civil Rights Era
    In 1955 the murderers of Emmett Till, a black Mississippi youth, were acquitted of their crime, undoubtedly because they were white. Forty years later, O. J. Simpson, whom many thought would be charged with murder by virtue of the DNA evidence against him, went free after his attorney portrayed him as a victim of racism. Clearly, a sea change had taken place in American culture, but how had it happened? In this important new work, distinguished race relations scholar Shelby Steele argues that the age of white supremacy has given way to an age of white guilt -- and neither has been good for African Americans.

    As the civil rights victories of the 1960s dealt a blow to racial discrimination, American institutions started acknowledging their injustices, and white Americans -- who held the power in those institutions -- began to lose their moral authority. Since then, our governments and universities, eager to reclaim legitimacy and avoid charges of racism, have made a show of taking responsibility for the problems of black Americans. In doing so, Steele asserts, they have only further exploited blacks, viewing them always as victims, never as equals. This phenomenon, which he calls white guilt, is a way for whites to keep up appearances, to feel righteous, and to acquire an easy moral authority -- all without addressing the real underlying problems of African Americans. Steele argues that calls for diversity and programs of affirmative action serve only to stigmatize minorities, portraying them not as capable individuals but as people defined by their membership in a group for which exceptions must be made.

    Through his articulate analysis and engrossing recollections of the last half-century of American race relations, Steele calls for a new culture of personal responsibility, a commitment to principles that can fill the moral void created by white guilt. White leaders must stop using minorities as a means to establish their moral authority -- and black leaders must stop indulging them. As White Guilt eloquently concludes, the alternative is a dangerous ethical relativism that extends beyond race relations into all parts of American life.

    White guilt is a culturally and historically contingent emotion rooted in White
    people’s recognition of unearned privileges and collective and/or individual roles in the
    perpetuation of racism.

  2. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    ‘Mr. Trump’s special charisma is that he seems to function entirely outside the framework of today’s cultural liberalism.’ January 2017 - Shelby Steele
    "What I hope for in the Trump presidency is exactly the cultural battle that he already seems to have engaged. Even before taking office he has put himself at odds with America’s entrenched cultural and institutional liberalism, and brought deep insecurity to its standard-bearers."
  3. oldngray

    oldngray nowhere special

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  4. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Just a turd

    Trump is just a butthole, nothing special about him. Loud mouth :censored2: who if he wasn’t rich would be doing time for sexual assault, and on the sex offender watch list
  5. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    Race Issues in America
    “We have betrayed [Martin Luther] King’s vision of making race irrelevant and wasted another couple generations.
    Black people have declined more so than during the era of segregation.
    We have to get beyond race at some point,” Shelby Steele says.
  6. Turdferguson

    Turdferguson Just a turd

    I disagree. Look around at all the successful black professionals in society today. No one thinks anything of it in today's world. When you level the playing field racial deversity will happen naturally
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  7. BrownArmy

    BrownArmy Well-Known Member

    Trolling again?
  8. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    You do realize that OJ Simpson was charged with murder, right?
  9. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    You don't think there is a level the playing field?

    In what ways is it not level?

    For what type of people is it not level?
  10. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage


    Seems like an area where some actual discussion can take place ... it's not political in nature.
  11. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    You do realize that OJ Simpson was found not guilty?
  12. BrownArmy

    BrownArmy Well-Known Member


    Ta-Nehisi Coates

    Lots to digest, even if you don’t agree with the author, but this dude is a fantastic writer.

    But, no, the playing field isn’t level, and it never was.

    You seem like a smart dude, perhaps you have a blind spot?
  13. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    It’s almost like race has next to nothing to do with relationships in America. It’s a cultural point of reference and nothing more.

    With that in mind, the murderers of Emmitt Till and OJ Simpson are not at all different. They are the relatively rich and powerful of their respective times.

    In other words, nothing at all has changed and Mr. Steele has found his own cash cow in an intellectual debate at the same cultural point of reference.

    The rich and powerful win. Always.
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  14. BrownArmy

    BrownArmy Well-Known Member

    Of course it’s political, you know better.
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  15. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Yes. He was charged and found not guilty.
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  16. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    Can you discuss anything without a 'personal attack'?
  17. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    OK, I'm glad we got past that irrelevant point.
  18. bbsam

    bbsam Moderator Staff Member

    Possibly irrelevant but odd that it was presented as it was.
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  19. Wrong

    Wrong :))

    I don’t view people by the color of their skin. Could care less if you are a minority ethnicity.

    I counter act my white guilt with my homo card. I don’t feel entitled to any “privledges” only my rights.

    MAKAVELI Well-Known Member

    You're not on point tonight. But then again you rarely are.