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<blockquote data-quote="wkmac" data-source="post: 365693" data-attributes="member: 2189"><p>In theory or maybe I should say, in our dreams <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> that might be true but in reality that IMO just doesn't pan out. If you go back to 2000' and look at what Georgre Bush was not only doing but consider the above criteria you listed, Bush literally did the exact opposite once in office. Now on the one hand you could try and justify everything with 9/11 but I'd point out that when a family faces a huge crisis in their lives, vacations, movies, eating out, etc. etc. are eliminated as a cost cutting measure to help pay for the cost of the crisis. Bush and the republican Congress as well as the democrats (let's be fair here) never once suggested that we not go to the beach, not go to the movies or not eat out. In fact, they encouraged more vacations, more movies and more eating out with the idea of moving the debt forward to future generations to deal with the payback.</p><p> </p><p>IMHO, it's just not as simplistic as you mentioned above although I love the idea if it were! I'm with ya there all the way.</p><p> </p><p>As for Obama himself. Much has been the news the last few days about Obama moving to the "right" if you will on Iraq. The republicans, not having much in a candidate themselves must less a message (original and exciting ideas that move) to run on, have resorted to formenting myths and creating something from nothing about Obama. Wright worked somewhat in moving the base but that steam didn't last and the flag pin was good for a week or so. The bigger myth was that Obama was solid anti-war (helped also by a little myth making on Obama's part too in order to fool his own base) but looking at facts of action in voting, the record tells a different picture. </p><p> </p><p>But it seems the "antiwar" myth is breaking down and Obama himself is helping the cause to which of course the repubs. are in turn using to paint the old flip/flop message and it will work for a time too. What I find interesting is watching Obama not from the so-called right or republican side where he'll never get a vote anyway, but rather from the left itself and in this case I mean the hardcore left (another myth that Obama is a secret "one of them!") as in the socialist faction. </p><p> </p><p>Recently there was a piece in the Socialist Worker publication about Obama but it was more about his senior policy circle that will formulate his public policy if elected. I know most here are chicken littles and fear the dark so they would never be able to click the link <img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/happy-very.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":happy-very:" title="Happy Very :happy-very:" data-shortname=":happy-very:" /> but for those few principled souls here who are completely comfortable in your own skin, I find this piece pretty interesting from the POV written and hope you do as well.</p><p> </p><p><a href="http://socialistworker.org/2008/07/02/obama-war-room" target="_blank"><span style="color: red"><strong>http://socialistworker.org/2008/07/02/obama-war-room</strong></span></a></p><p> </p><p>Obama isn't flip/flopping or changing his position. He's doing exactly what his genetic makeup was all along. He's just being a politician!</p><p><img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/wink.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wink2:" title="Wink :wink2:" data-shortname=":wink2:" /></p><p> </p><p>TAX! TAX! TAX!</p><p>SPEND! SPEND! SPEND!</p><p>ELECT! ELECT! ELECT!</p><p> </p><p>the mantra of the American politician.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="wkmac, post: 365693, member: 2189"] In theory or maybe I should say, in our dreams :happy-very: that might be true but in reality that IMO just doesn't pan out. If you go back to 2000' and look at what Georgre Bush was not only doing but consider the above criteria you listed, Bush literally did the exact opposite once in office. Now on the one hand you could try and justify everything with 9/11 but I'd point out that when a family faces a huge crisis in their lives, vacations, movies, eating out, etc. etc. are eliminated as a cost cutting measure to help pay for the cost of the crisis. Bush and the republican Congress as well as the democrats (let's be fair here) never once suggested that we not go to the beach, not go to the movies or not eat out. In fact, they encouraged more vacations, more movies and more eating out with the idea of moving the debt forward to future generations to deal with the payback. IMHO, it's just not as simplistic as you mentioned above although I love the idea if it were! I'm with ya there all the way. As for Obama himself. Much has been the news the last few days about Obama moving to the "right" if you will on Iraq. The republicans, not having much in a candidate themselves must less a message (original and exciting ideas that move) to run on, have resorted to formenting myths and creating something from nothing about Obama. Wright worked somewhat in moving the base but that steam didn't last and the flag pin was good for a week or so. The bigger myth was that Obama was solid anti-war (helped also by a little myth making on Obama's part too in order to fool his own base) but looking at facts of action in voting, the record tells a different picture. But it seems the "antiwar" myth is breaking down and Obama himself is helping the cause to which of course the repubs. are in turn using to paint the old flip/flop message and it will work for a time too. What I find interesting is watching Obama not from the so-called right or republican side where he'll never get a vote anyway, but rather from the left itself and in this case I mean the hardcore left (another myth that Obama is a secret "one of them!") as in the socialist faction. Recently there was a piece in the Socialist Worker publication about Obama but it was more about his senior policy circle that will formulate his public policy if elected. I know most here are chicken littles and fear the dark so they would never be able to click the link :happy-very: but for those few principled souls here who are completely comfortable in your own skin, I find this piece pretty interesting from the POV written and hope you do as well. [URL="http://socialistworker.org/2008/07/02/obama-war-room"][COLOR=red][B]http://socialistworker.org/2008/07/02/obama-war-room[/B][/COLOR][/URL] Obama isn't flip/flopping or changing his position. He's doing exactly what his genetic makeup was all along. He's just being a politician! :wink2: TAX! TAX! TAX! SPEND! SPEND! SPEND! ELECT! ELECT! ELECT! the mantra of the American politician. [/QUOTE]
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