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<blockquote data-quote="Catatonic" data-source="post: 392116" data-attributes="member: 7966"><p>Quote:</p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Originally Posted by <strong>moreluck</strong></span></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 10px">B.O. uses the term "economic justice"....sounds good, but....</span></em></p><p></p><p><em><span style="font-size: 10px">"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.</span></em></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Have to agree more with Moreluck that this utopian treatise is an intellectual effort to euphemize Utopianism and Socialism. Most important is that this is a Utopian idea. </span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Utopian presentations of this sort tend to be more allegorical in nature and generally accepted as a system that can not be implemented. Utopian proposals always, always fall apart because they operate on the premise that "People will do what they should do for the best of the group."</span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">If you were to substitute pre-programmed robots for humans in this system, it will work with no free will and no aberrations in the programming. However, with humans as the participants, this system would disintegrate into chaos and a free-will system will eventually emerge as an alternative. </span></span></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The closest analogy is the Bolsheviks and Maoist implementation of their socialistic/communal beliefs - it did not work… and they were not even Utopian in nature. Their initial systems broke down and were replaced by totalitarian governments that tried to eliminate free will but instead, eliminated motivation and incentive for their citizens.</span></span></span></span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Catatonic, post: 392116, member: 7966"] Quote: [SIZE=2]Originally Posted by [B]moreluck[/B][/SIZE] [I][SIZE=2]B.O. uses the term "economic justice"....sounds good, but....[/SIZE][/I] [I][SIZE=2]"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.[/SIZE][/I] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Have to agree more with Moreluck that this utopian treatise is an intellectual effort to euphemize Utopianism and Socialism. Most important is that this is a Utopian idea. Utopian presentations of this sort tend to be more allegorical in nature and generally accepted as a system that can not be implemented. Utopian proposals always, always fall apart because they operate on the premise that "People will do what they should do for the best of the group."[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]If you were to substitute pre-programmed robots for humans in this system, it will work with no free will and no aberrations in the programming. However, with humans as the participants, this system would disintegrate into chaos and a free-will system will eventually emerge as an alternative. The closest analogy is the Bolsheviks and Maoist implementation of their socialistic/communal beliefs - it did not work… and they were not even Utopian in nature. Their initial systems broke down and were replaced by totalitarian governments that tried to eliminate free will but instead, eliminated motivation and incentive for their citizens.[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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