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<blockquote data-quote="BrownShark" data-source="post: 332023" data-attributes="member: 12148"><p><strong>Re: Who, What, Why- The Weatherman?? part 2</strong></p><p></p><p><strong>The name Weatherman was derived from the </strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff"><strong>Bob Dylan</strong></span></u></a><strong> song “</strong><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_Homesick_Blues" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff"><strong>Subterranean Homesick Blues</strong></span></u></a><strong>”, which featured the lyrics “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.”</strong> The lyrics had been quoted at the bottom of an influential essay in the SDS newspaper, <em>New Left Notes</em>. Using this title the Weathermen meant, partially, to appeal to the segment of American <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">youth</span></u></a> inspired to action for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">social justice</span></u></a> by Dylan’s songs. It appears also that the “Weatherman” <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moniker" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">moniker</span></u></a> used by the group may have been meant as a rebuke against the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Labor_Party" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Progressive Labor Party</span></u></a>, whose <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Student_Alliance" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Worker Student Alliance</span></u></a> SDS faction had succeeded in recruiting many former SDSers to its ranks, and had allegedly co-opted the 1969 convention.</p><p>The Weatherman group had long held that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militancy" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">militancy</span></u></a> was becoming more important than <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">nonviolent</span></u></a> forms of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">anti-war</span></u></a> action, and that university-campus-based demonstrations needed to be punctuated with more dramatic actions, which had the potential to interfere with the U.S. military and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intelligence_agencies#United_States" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">internal security apparatus</span></u></a>. The belief was that these types of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_guerrilla" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">urban guerrilla</span></u></a> actions would act as a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalyst" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">catalyst</span></u></a> for the coming revolution. Many international events indeed seemed to support the Weathermen’s overall assertion that <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_revolution" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">worldwide revolution</span></u></a> was imminent, such as the tumultuous <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Cultural Revolution</span></u></a> in China; the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">1968</span></u></a> student revolts in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">France</span></u></a>, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Mexico City</span></u></a> and elsewhere; the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Prague Spring</span></u></a>; the emergence of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupamaros" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Tupamaros</span></u></a> organization in <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Uruguay</span></u></a>; the emergence of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissauan_Revolution" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Guinea-Bissauan Revolution</span></u></a> and similar <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Marxist</span></u></a>-led independence movements throughout <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Africa</span></u></a>; and within the United States, the prominence of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Black Panther Party</span></u></a> together with a series of “<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">ghetto</span></u></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">rebellions</span></u></a>” throughout poor <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">black</span></u></a> neighborhoods across the country.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-5" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[6]</span></u></a></p><p>The Weathermen were outspoken advocates of the analytical concepts that later came to be known as “<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">white privilege</span></u></a>” and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">identity politics</span></u></a>[<em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">citation needed</span></u></a></em>]. As the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_unrest" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">unrest</span></u></a> in poor black neighborhoods intensified in the early 1970s, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Bernardine Dohrn</span></u></a> said, “White youth must choose sides <em>now.</em> They must either fight on the side of the oppressed, or be on the side of the oppressor.”</p><p> </p><p><strong>[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Weatherman_%28organization%29&action=edit&section=9" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">edit</span></u></a>] Change in direction, "Prairie Fire"</strong></p><p></p><p>The Weather Underground’s ideology changed direction in the early 1970’s. With help from ex-Progressive Labor member, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Van_Lydegraf" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Clayton Van Lydegraf</span></u></a>, The Weather Underground sought a more <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist-Leninist" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Marxist-Leninist</span></u></a> approach. The leading members of the Weather Underground collaborated ideas and published their manifesto: <em>"Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism.</em>"<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-18" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[19]</span></u></a> By the summer of 1974, five thousand copies had surfaced in coffee houses and bookstores across America. Leftist newspapers praised the manifesto.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-19" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[20]</span></u></a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Abbie Hoffman</span></u></a> publicly praised <em>Prairie Fire</em> and believed every American should be given a copy.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-20" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[21]</span></u></a> The manifesto’s influence initiated the formation of the '<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prairie_Fire_Organizing_Committee&action=edit&redlink=1" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Prairie Fire Organizing Committee</span></u></a>' in several American cities. Hundreds of above-ground activists helped further the new political vision of the Weather Underground.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-21" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[22]</span></u></a></p><p>East coast members favored a commitment to violence and challenged commitments of old leaders, Bernadine Dohrn, Bill Ayers and Jeff Jones. By the end of 1976, the Weather Underground would collapse.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-28" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[29]</span></u></a> Within two years, many members turned themselves in after taking advantage of President <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0000ff">Jimmy Carter</span></u></a>’s amnesty for draft dodgers.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-29" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[30]</span></u></a></p><p>Mark Rudd turned himself in to authorities on Jan. 20, 1978. Rudd was fined $4,000 and received two years probation.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-30" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[31]</span></u></a> Bernadine Dohrn and <strong>Bill Ayers turned themselves in on Dec. 3, 1980, in New York, with substantial media coverage. Charges were dropped for Ayers.</strong> Dohrn received three years probation and a $15,000 fine.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-31" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #800080">[32]</span></u></a></p><p> </p><p>**********</p><p><strong>Well, using AV8's logic and with the backing of Brett and big arrow up, the DROPPING of charges against Bill Ayers makes him innocent, right??</strong></p><p> </p><p>These were students who rebelled against the goverment and its actions. While protected free speech, the acts of domestic terrorism were crimes.</p><p> </p><p>The group fell apart when the war in vietnam ended. A learning experience for all americans, the members of this group are no different than any other domestic terror group in the United States currently affiliated with the Republican party.</p><p> </p><p>Peace<img src="/community/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/FeltTip/peaceful.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":peaceful:" title="Peaceful :peaceful:" data-shortname=":peaceful:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownShark, post: 332023, member: 12148"] [b]Re: Who, What, Why- The Weatherman?? part 2[/b] [B]The name Weatherman was derived from the [/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Dylan"][U][COLOR=#0000ff][B]Bob Dylan[/B][/COLOR][/U][/URL][B] song “[/B][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_Homesick_Blues"][U][COLOR=#0000ff][B]Subterranean Homesick Blues[/B][/COLOR][/U][/URL][B]”, which featured the lyrics “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.”[/B] The lyrics had been quoted at the bottom of an influential essay in the SDS newspaper, [I]New Left Notes[/I]. Using this title the Weathermen meant, partially, to appeal to the segment of American [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Youth"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]youth[/COLOR][/U][/URL] inspired to action for [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_justice"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]social justice[/COLOR][/U][/URL] by Dylan’s songs. It appears also that the “Weatherman” [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moniker"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]moniker[/COLOR][/U][/URL] used by the group may have been meant as a rebuke against the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_Labor_Party"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Progressive Labor Party[/COLOR][/U][/URL], whose [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worker_Student_Alliance"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Worker Student Alliance[/COLOR][/U][/URL] SDS faction had succeeded in recruiting many former SDSers to its ranks, and had allegedly co-opted the 1969 convention. The Weatherman group had long held that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militancy"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]militancy[/COLOR][/U][/URL] was becoming more important than [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolence"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]nonviolent[/COLOR][/U][/URL] forms of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-war"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]anti-war[/COLOR][/U][/URL] action, and that university-campus-based demonstrations needed to be punctuated with more dramatic actions, which had the potential to interfere with the U.S. military and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intelligence_agencies#United_States"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]internal security apparatus[/COLOR][/U][/URL]. The belief was that these types of [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_guerrilla"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]urban guerrilla[/COLOR][/U][/URL] actions would act as a [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalyst"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]catalyst[/COLOR][/U][/URL] for the coming revolution. Many international events indeed seemed to support the Weathermen’s overall assertion that [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_revolution"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]worldwide revolution[/COLOR][/U][/URL] was imminent, such as the tumultuous [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Revolution"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Cultural Revolution[/COLOR][/U][/URL] in China; the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]1968[/COLOR][/U][/URL] student revolts in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1968"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]France[/COLOR][/U][/URL], [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tlatelolco_massacre"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Mexico City[/COLOR][/U][/URL] and elsewhere; the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Prague Spring[/COLOR][/U][/URL]; the emergence of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupamaros"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Tupamaros[/COLOR][/U][/URL] organization in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguay"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Uruguay[/COLOR][/U][/URL]; the emergence of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guinea-Bissauan_Revolution"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Guinea-Bissauan Revolution[/COLOR][/U][/URL] and similar [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Marxist[/COLOR][/U][/URL]-led independence movements throughout [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Africa"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Africa[/COLOR][/U][/URL]; and within the United States, the prominence of the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Black Panther Party[/COLOR][/U][/URL] together with a series of “[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghetto"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]ghetto[/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebellion"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]rebellions[/COLOR][/U][/URL]” throughout poor [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African-American"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]black[/COLOR][/U][/URL] neighborhoods across the country.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-5"][U][COLOR=#800080][6][/COLOR][/U][/URL] The Weathermen were outspoken advocates of the analytical concepts that later came to be known as “[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_privilege"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]white privilege[/COLOR][/U][/URL]” and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]identity politics[/COLOR][/U][/URL][[I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]citation needed[/COLOR][/U][/URL][/I]]. As the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_unrest"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]unrest[/COLOR][/U][/URL] in poor black neighborhoods intensified in the early 1970s, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernardine_Dohrn"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Bernardine Dohrn[/COLOR][/U][/URL] said, “White youth must choose sides [I]now.[/I] They must either fight on the side of the oppressed, or be on the side of the oppressor.” [B][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Weatherman_%28organization%29&action=edit§ion=9"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]edit[/COLOR][/U][/URL]] Change in direction, "Prairie Fire"[/B] The Weather Underground’s ideology changed direction in the early 1970’s. With help from ex-Progressive Labor member, [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clayton_Van_Lydegraf"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Clayton Van Lydegraf[/COLOR][/U][/URL], The Weather Underground sought a more [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxist-Leninist"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Marxist-Leninist[/COLOR][/U][/URL] approach. The leading members of the Weather Underground collaborated ideas and published their manifesto: [I]"Prairie Fire: The Politics of Revolutionary Anti-Imperialism.[/I]"[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-18"][U][COLOR=#800080][19][/COLOR][/U][/URL] By the summer of 1974, five thousand copies had surfaced in coffee houses and bookstores across America. Leftist newspapers praised the manifesto.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-19"][U][COLOR=#800080][20][/COLOR][/U][/URL] [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbie_Hoffman"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Abbie Hoffman[/COLOR][/U][/URL] publicly praised [I]Prairie Fire[/I] and believed every American should be given a copy.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-20"][U][COLOR=#800080][21][/COLOR][/U][/URL] The manifesto’s influence initiated the formation of the '[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Prairie_Fire_Organizing_Committee&action=edit&redlink=1"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Prairie Fire Organizing Committee[/COLOR][/U][/URL]' in several American cities. Hundreds of above-ground activists helped further the new political vision of the Weather Underground.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-21"][U][COLOR=#800080][22][/COLOR][/U][/URL] East coast members favored a commitment to violence and challenged commitments of old leaders, Bernadine Dohrn, Bill Ayers and Jeff Jones. By the end of 1976, the Weather Underground would collapse.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-28"][U][COLOR=#800080][29][/COLOR][/U][/URL] Within two years, many members turned themselves in after taking advantage of President [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter"][U][COLOR=#0000ff]Jimmy Carter[/COLOR][/U][/URL]’s amnesty for draft dodgers.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-29"][U][COLOR=#800080][30][/COLOR][/U][/URL] Mark Rudd turned himself in to authorities on Jan. 20, 1978. Rudd was fined $4,000 and received two years probation.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-30"][U][COLOR=#800080][31][/COLOR][/U][/URL] Bernadine Dohrn and [B]Bill Ayers turned themselves in on Dec. 3, 1980, in New York, with substantial media coverage. Charges were dropped for Ayers.[/B] Dohrn received three years probation and a $15,000 fine.[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weatherman_%28organization%29#cite_note-31"][U][COLOR=#800080][32][/COLOR][/U][/URL] ********** [B]Well, using AV8's logic and with the backing of Brett and big arrow up, the DROPPING of charges against Bill Ayers makes him innocent, right??[/B] These were students who rebelled against the goverment and its actions. While protected free speech, the acts of domestic terrorism were crimes. The group fell apart when the war in vietnam ended. A learning experience for all americans, the members of this group are no different than any other domestic terror group in the United States currently affiliated with the Republican party. Peace:peaceful: [/QUOTE]
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