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<blockquote data-quote="refineryworker05" data-source="post: 2908155" data-attributes="member: 66082">Again, either you are there for all Americans.....&quot; given to those who didn&#039;t achieve&quot; is a bs perspective that makes no sense.What does that even mean?How would the government over ride the concerns of the well to do to help the economically poor and take all their money and give it to the poor?Plus? How do you determine who deserves and who doesn&#039;t?&nbsp; This is where conservatives lie to me about this stuff.This kind of belief system justifies believing the very worst about various groups of Americans to say they don&#039;t deserve help and it justifies lying about how much spending actually goes to those Americans.The biggest reason it is a lie because the poor only consume less than 4% of federal spending in programs that many describe as &quot;welfare&quot;, so why are conservatives so invested in that part of the budget if they are concerned about spending or the government taking their money and giving to those who didn&#039;t achieve?Why is there so much anger at that spending so much judgment about that spending given how paltry it is relative to the federal budget?Plus given how little political power and influence the poor have within our society it is even more nonsensical to believe that they are going to force the government to take all the money from everyone else and give it to them.&nbsp; It is a bs illogical dishonest point.Food stamps are 1.7% of federal spending&nbsp; Housing section 8 vouchers are&nbsp; 1.1% of federal spending, tanf/welfare is .40% of federal spending, WIC is .16% of federal spending.Yet those programs inspire the most anger.&nbsp; This anger makes no sense and is illogical.So yes that perspective that oh I just want to protect my money and make sure it doesn&#039;t go to the underserving is bs and is dishonest. They just don&#039;t want certain other Americans to be helped and yes that is bigotry but they don&#039;t want to discuss what&#039;s really driving their anger or concern about certain spending.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="refineryworker05, post: 2908155, member: 66082"] Again, either you are there for all Americans....." given to those who didn't achieve" is a bs perspective that makes no sense. What does that even mean? How would the government over ride the concerns of the well to do to help the economically poor and take all their money and give it to the poor? Plus? How do you determine who deserves and who doesn't? This is where conservatives lie to me about this stuff. This kind of belief system justifies believing the very worst about various groups of Americans to say they don't deserve help and it justifies lying about how much spending actually goes to those Americans. The biggest reason it is a lie because the poor only consume less than 4% of federal spending in programs that many describe as "welfare", so why are conservatives so invested in that part of the budget if they are concerned about spending or the government taking their money and giving to those who didn't achieve? Why is there so much anger at that spending so much judgment about that spending given how paltry it is relative to the federal budget? Plus given how little political power and influence the poor have within our society it is even more nonsensical to believe that they are going to force the government to take all the money from everyone else and give it to them. It is a bs illogical dishonest point. Food stamps are 1.7% of federal spending Housing section 8 vouchers are 1.1% of federal spending, tanf/welfare is .40% of federal spending, WIC is .16% of federal spending. Yet those programs inspire the most anger. This anger makes no sense and is illogical. So yes that perspective that oh I just want to protect my money and make sure it doesn't go to the underserving is bs and is dishonest. They just don't want certain other Americans to be helped and yes that is bigotry but they don't want to discuss what's really driving their anger or concern about certain spending. [/QUOTE]

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