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<blockquote data-quote="bbsam" data-source="post: 571367" data-attributes="member: 22662"><p>22LR</p><p>Of everything you have written, I think this comes closest to reality. But I think at the lowest common denominator you and I will always disagree. As ugly as it may seem, capitalism is the "human face". </p><p></p><p>Capitalism does not create greed. It may be a venue by which greed flourishes, but to suggest that there exists an economic system that would not be corrupted by that same greed does not make sense. </p><p></p><p>I want more of whatever I want. Same as workers everywhere. Same as company owners, stockholders, Wall Street tycoons, drunks in the local tavern. And I am not even offended when others have more than I even if they get "it" illegally or immorally. I may be motivated to follow their example or decide it's not worth the sacrifice. I look at it as living life balancing between the "deadly sins" of Greed and Sloth.</p><p></p><p>All in all, people are bastards; "Natural Born Killers"; selfish and self-centered to the extreme with an almost limitless but rarely exercised quality to do wonderfully altruistic feats for the advancement of mankind. I agree with you in the potential, but no organizing or political/economic system can harness that to any real end.</p><p></p><p>So yes, we will have "classes, exploitation, oppression, starvation, and suffering", not because of an evil system or government, but because we want it that way. But that is not to suggest all gloom and doom. Could you imagine the ridiculously boring history of the world without such tension and conflict? No Revolutionary War, Civil War, no Montagues and Capulets. No Hamlet or Shakespeare for that matter. No Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob, no MLK. no Malcolm X no Ghandi. So again I say no, Rodney King, we can't all just get along. Mainly because we just don't want to.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="bbsam, post: 571367, member: 22662"] 22LR Of everything you have written, I think this comes closest to reality. But I think at the lowest common denominator you and I will always disagree. As ugly as it may seem, capitalism is the "human face". Capitalism does not create greed. It may be a venue by which greed flourishes, but to suggest that there exists an economic system that would not be corrupted by that same greed does not make sense. I want more of whatever I want. Same as workers everywhere. Same as company owners, stockholders, Wall Street tycoons, drunks in the local tavern. And I am not even offended when others have more than I even if they get "it" illegally or immorally. I may be motivated to follow their example or decide it's not worth the sacrifice. I look at it as living life balancing between the "deadly sins" of Greed and Sloth. All in all, people are bastards; "Natural Born Killers"; selfish and self-centered to the extreme with an almost limitless but rarely exercised quality to do wonderfully altruistic feats for the advancement of mankind. I agree with you in the potential, but no organizing or political/economic system can harness that to any real end. So yes, we will have "classes, exploitation, oppression, starvation, and suffering", not because of an evil system or government, but because we want it that way. But that is not to suggest all gloom and doom. Could you imagine the ridiculously boring history of the world without such tension and conflict? No Revolutionary War, Civil War, no Montagues and Capulets. No Hamlet or Shakespeare for that matter. No Bill Wilson and Dr. Bob, no MLK. no Malcolm X no Ghandi. So again I say no, Rodney King, we can't all just get along. Mainly because we just don't want to. [/QUOTE]
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