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<blockquote data-quote="UPS Lifer" data-source="post: 579276" data-attributes="member: 9789"><p>I appreciate your explanation but you stated that this wasn't about seniority or sour grapes and then proceed to talk about the person who is right below (seniority) and pissed off (sour grapes) LOL!</p><p></p><p>You have a valid and logical argument but my comment and questions have more to do with the contract than with the logic you discuss. If the contract does not protect (I do not know if it does?) the less senior person if a more senior person works vacation, then the more senior person can work. I give you this much.... it does take the management team to say sorry John Smith, you are on vacation this week and you are not working. SO, both parties are responsible for doing the right thing. Here is the rub.... there is probably a need on both sides. The drivers needs money, and the management team needs his/her experience on the route.</p><p></p><p>I think it is good that the union and senior management sat down to discuss this and what ever they came up with should be followed. If your management team is not following this shame on them and do what you have to do...</p><p></p><p>But please.... don't tell me this is not about seniority and sour grapes! If these other drivers had more seniority, there would be no thread here. For example, if the lowest seniority driver in your center decided to work his vacation that he has to take in January... NOBODY would care except the cover driver who has less seniority. </p><p></p><p>There is always someone who is going to have sour grapes over a seniority issue. Can you imagine what it would be like without seniority!!!! </p><p></p><p>I think some Teamsters forget that you can talk all you want about the "Brotherhood" but each employee has their own needs and those needs also should be respected as long as they do not violate the contract. </p><p></p><p>I will stand up for a senior employee any day of the week.</p><p></p><p><strong>I still am looking for the answers to my questions from 705... I want to better understand his point of view on the grievances.</strong></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="UPS Lifer, post: 579276, member: 9789"] I appreciate your explanation but you stated that this wasn't about seniority or sour grapes and then proceed to talk about the person who is right below (seniority) and pissed off (sour grapes) LOL! You have a valid and logical argument but my comment and questions have more to do with the contract than with the logic you discuss. If the contract does not protect (I do not know if it does?) the less senior person if a more senior person works vacation, then the more senior person can work. I give you this much.... it does take the management team to say sorry John Smith, you are on vacation this week and you are not working. SO, both parties are responsible for doing the right thing. Here is the rub.... there is probably a need on both sides. The drivers needs money, and the management team needs his/her experience on the route. I think it is good that the union and senior management sat down to discuss this and what ever they came up with should be followed. If your management team is not following this shame on them and do what you have to do... But please.... don't tell me this is not about seniority and sour grapes! If these other drivers had more seniority, there would be no thread here. For example, if the lowest seniority driver in your center decided to work his vacation that he has to take in January... NOBODY would care except the cover driver who has less seniority. There is always someone who is going to have sour grapes over a seniority issue. Can you imagine what it would be like without seniority!!!! I think some Teamsters forget that you can talk all you want about the "Brotherhood" but each employee has their own needs and those needs also should be respected as long as they do not violate the contract. I will stand up for a senior employee any day of the week. [B]I still am looking for the answers to my questions from 705... I want to better understand his point of view on the grievances.[/B] [/QUOTE]
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