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<blockquote data-quote="area43" data-source="post: 250554" data-attributes="member: 4862"><p>Dudes! and the lovely ladies of the Brown Cafe. Ok, first things first. Its ok to have a discussion. A lot of us UPSers are anxious. So let us vent. So what if we haven't received all the details. Like they say about the TV. If you dont like it just turn the channel. Change to another thread. I also think Cheryl should download Paypal and have everyone make a wager on this present contract proposal if it will pass or not. Of course all monies will go to a charity. he he.</p><p> </p><p>Ok, I will start out with the part time. I myself worked 2.5 years in the am pt ranks. As we all know, it is balls to the walls work. Hard ass manual labor. Keep that in mind as I proceed. Americans have been slowly or quickly leaving the "work your ass off" labor ranks. As West and Sat. have pointed out. The hard ethical workers are quickly becoming the minority. Our nation has become sedintary. Case in point. Mexicans first came over to do our "work your ass off" agricultural work. Why? because they(the farmers) couldn't pay us(Americans) enough to have us do the hard labor work of picking our vegetables and fruits. It was below us. Now, we find it in the Construction business. Poor ATTENDANCE and Poor production by American workers have made the Contractors go with Mexicans. When Katrina hit. Who was doing all the work to rebuild? The Mexicans. Im talking about the work that was contracted out to contractors. Now, not all workers in construction are Mexicans. There are Americans, but not many. I live in Va. and they(Mexicans) do the agricultural, logging in some cases and construction. The Mexicans are also doing the Hotel work(making beds, cooking, maint. and landscaping). If you ever go to Vegas. Check out who's cleaning your room. In restaurants their doing the behind the scenes work. Dishwasher and cooking. As you can see the Mexicans are slowly taking over the manual minual labor jobs. Making a profit does come into play when hiring Mexicans.</p><p> </p><p>I bring all this up because the majority of Americans do not want to do this type of hard manual back breaking work at a sub-par wage. UPS pays sub-par wages to its part timers. Americans of the younger age do not find hard manual labor attractive at all. If they do. They want to be compensated highly for it. Now when I make this comment I do not inply all younger workers are slackers, for use of a better word. Are Americans spoiled when it comes to hard labor, perphaps. Could Technology be the cause? Break down of the family? Ethics, Work Ethics does that get taught anymore by parents or adults in general? It appears UPS is finding that out. Money, does paying someone more money make him have a stronger work ethic? perphaps. What about those professional athletes? I see alot of them not showing up for work. That might be a long shot in using them as an example. More money sure does help when wanting a better work force or lets justs say a more prompt work force.</p><p> </p><p>Back to the Mexicans. West, your a pt sup. Wouldn't it make your job a whole lot easier if Mexicans did all the work? They are prompt. Hard working. Don't complain. The language barrier could easily be overcome. PAS has dumb down the loading of pkg cars to an extent. UPS could lobby congress to allow them to hire Mexicans. Why couldn't they? Other business's can and don't think the Teamsters wouldn't consider it. If it meant the surival of the company. Mexican Teamsters. I believe some of the Mexicans in the Agricultural arena are union workers. Yes, there would be obstacles to overcome. In Va. the Mexicans make 8.50 an hour tax free. The employer has to provide them with housing and medical. Usuallly that consist of a trailor out in the tobacco field. LOL Their work visa's vary. UPS hiring Mexicans to do the grunt work in which most young Americans find so appalling. Will this happen? Nah. Just something to think about. ( ; winky</p><p> </p><p>Oh and one other thing. I like the idea that lets the part timer choose rather he wants the health Insurance or not. If the pt er ops out than give him a higher wage. Their usually young, single, HEALTHIER and in college. In most cases they are still covered under their parents policy. In my 2.5 years pt I might have used it twice. Another idea, those pt ers that want some short of coverage could have like a high deductable. A $1000 dollar deductable. Catastrophic Insurance. Again, when your younger the chances or odds of you having a major illness are slim. If so, you can wire you parents for the cash(deductible). The bigger deductible insurance plan would in turn give the pt more money per hour, but not as much as the pt er that opted out entirely. I have more thoughts. To be cont. LOL</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="area43, post: 250554, member: 4862"] Dudes! and the lovely ladies of the Brown Cafe. Ok, first things first. Its ok to have a discussion. A lot of us UPSers are anxious. So let us vent. So what if we haven't received all the details. Like they say about the TV. If you dont like it just turn the channel. Change to another thread. I also think Cheryl should download Paypal and have everyone make a wager on this present contract proposal if it will pass or not. Of course all monies will go to a charity. he he. Ok, I will start out with the part time. I myself worked 2.5 years in the am pt ranks. As we all know, it is balls to the walls work. Hard ass manual labor. Keep that in mind as I proceed. Americans have been slowly or quickly leaving the "work your ass off" labor ranks. As West and Sat. have pointed out. The hard ethical workers are quickly becoming the minority. Our nation has become sedintary. Case in point. Mexicans first came over to do our "work your ass off" agricultural work. Why? because they(the farmers) couldn't pay us(Americans) enough to have us do the hard labor work of picking our vegetables and fruits. It was below us. Now, we find it in the Construction business. Poor ATTENDANCE and Poor production by American workers have made the Contractors go with Mexicans. When Katrina hit. Who was doing all the work to rebuild? The Mexicans. Im talking about the work that was contracted out to contractors. Now, not all workers in construction are Mexicans. There are Americans, but not many. I live in Va. and they(Mexicans) do the agricultural, logging in some cases and construction. The Mexicans are also doing the Hotel work(making beds, cooking, maint. and landscaping). If you ever go to Vegas. Check out who's cleaning your room. In restaurants their doing the behind the scenes work. Dishwasher and cooking. As you can see the Mexicans are slowly taking over the manual minual labor jobs. Making a profit does come into play when hiring Mexicans. I bring all this up because the majority of Americans do not want to do this type of hard manual back breaking work at a sub-par wage. UPS pays sub-par wages to its part timers. Americans of the younger age do not find hard manual labor attractive at all. If they do. They want to be compensated highly for it. Now when I make this comment I do not inply all younger workers are slackers, for use of a better word. Are Americans spoiled when it comes to hard labor, perphaps. Could Technology be the cause? Break down of the family? Ethics, Work Ethics does that get taught anymore by parents or adults in general? It appears UPS is finding that out. Money, does paying someone more money make him have a stronger work ethic? perphaps. What about those professional athletes? I see alot of them not showing up for work. That might be a long shot in using them as an example. More money sure does help when wanting a better work force or lets justs say a more prompt work force. Back to the Mexicans. West, your a pt sup. Wouldn't it make your job a whole lot easier if Mexicans did all the work? They are prompt. Hard working. Don't complain. The language barrier could easily be overcome. PAS has dumb down the loading of pkg cars to an extent. UPS could lobby congress to allow them to hire Mexicans. Why couldn't they? Other business's can and don't think the Teamsters wouldn't consider it. If it meant the surival of the company. Mexican Teamsters. I believe some of the Mexicans in the Agricultural arena are union workers. Yes, there would be obstacles to overcome. In Va. the Mexicans make 8.50 an hour tax free. The employer has to provide them with housing and medical. Usuallly that consist of a trailor out in the tobacco field. LOL Their work visa's vary. UPS hiring Mexicans to do the grunt work in which most young Americans find so appalling. Will this happen? Nah. Just something to think about. ( ; winky Oh and one other thing. I like the idea that lets the part timer choose rather he wants the health Insurance or not. If the pt er ops out than give him a higher wage. Their usually young, single, HEALTHIER and in college. In most cases they are still covered under their parents policy. In my 2.5 years pt I might have used it twice. Another idea, those pt ers that want some short of coverage could have like a high deductable. A $1000 dollar deductable. Catastrophic Insurance. Again, when your younger the chances or odds of you having a major illness are slim. If so, you can wire you parents for the cash(deductible). The bigger deductible insurance plan would in turn give the pt more money per hour, but not as much as the pt er that opted out entirely. I have more thoughts. To be cont. LOL [/QUOTE]
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