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<blockquote data-quote="BrownShark" data-source="post: 262032" data-attributes="member: 12148"><p>Char,</p><p> </p><p>Excellent response. I appreciate the comments. I will not disagree with all your statements, but If you will, let me take a couple of points and offer you a counterpoint.</p><p> </p><p>Briefly, With regard to your statement abouts about China and Russia raising thier ugly heads again.. We have to blame President Bush Directly for that. It is HIS fault solely.</p><p> </p><p>Why do I say that??</p><p> </p><p>Its simple, Reagan outspent Russia 5 to 1 until Russia ran out of money. Oil prices were low, and the russians were on a course with bankruptcy. China was suffering as they were not exporting enough goods to support their military ambitions. </p><p> </p><p>Today, as Bush takes this country further into the abyss of wars and his actions causes the price of OIL to rise to levels unheard of, Russia is the Biggest Winner!! The high price of OIL is rebuilding the Russian economy and its military is once again capable of being rebuilt with the huge OIL profits. If President Bush had kept prices of crude low, the Russians would be out of business in a few more years, instead, they are once again rising to superpower capacity. China will one day dominate this country with its trillions in on hand cash and super infrastructure of industry. </p><p> </p><p>We on the other hand are becoming a nation of debt, a weakoning dollar and the elimination of industry. These are the begining of a third world nation.</p><p> </p><p>As we preach freedom, we then imprison ourselves to a life of suffering at our own hands.</p><p> </p><p>Next point:</p><p> </p><p>You wrote: "As for China and Wal Mart, you can blame both Clinton and Bush (Democrats and Republicans) for the allowing of China to dump cheap goods on American shores. But you can't blame Wal Mart for having to compete. If you go into Target and K Mart and just about any other retailer they all sell the same Chinese crap. " (end quote)</p><p> </p><p>I dont blame any politician for this, I blame Americans for supporting it and buying the stuff. Look at whats happened so far, Poisoned dog food, poison toothpaste, lead in paint & banned substances in oils, paints and stains. This is only the begining. </p><p> </p><p>We can disagree on how it all started, but it all ends with the dollar.</p><p> </p><p>Under Bush 2, more companies have moved their operations off shore and into third world countries just to take advantage of peoples poverty.</p><p> </p><p>Lets take Mexico for instance, Americans wonder why the people of Mexico are coming to this country by the millions. Americans do alot of complaining, and both political parties preach about curbing the problem, yet neither the American public nor the Political parties of this country are ready to address the real problem.</p><p> </p><p>It is always real easy to "treat" a symptom, but tougher to "treat" the real problem. In Mexico, there has to be a reason the population would rather risk death or imprisonment than stay in thier native land.</p><p> </p><p>Its simple, the secretary of commerce for Mexico released the statistics for 2007 with respect to employment. Currently, 41% of all the jobs available in Mexico are provided by American Companies. Of those companies, the average yearly wage rose to $4500.00 A YEAR in 2007.</p><p> </p><p>Yes, $4500.00 a year. No healthcare, No pensions No nothing. For this, the mexican people live in shacks in towns with no paved roads, no phones, no TV, no Radio, no supermarkets, no schools...etc. etc...</p><p> </p><p>With only $4500.00 a year in wages, and with a 45 hour workweek, that gives each employee of these American companies $86.53 a week gross, minus what the companies charge them to work there, Uniforms, shoes, gloves and in some cases, housing.</p><p> </p><p>On $86.53 a week, the mexican people cant afford to pay attention. </p><p> </p><p>Why stay in a country that would treat its people in this fashion when they can make it into this country and find a job within days of arriving, live in home with a roof on it, drive on roads that are paved, send their children to schools, watch television in their native language, eat nice food, go to a building that has everything you could ever want to eat in your lifetime and the best part, make about $75.00 to $100.00 tax free a day??</p><p> </p><p>We as Americans can bitch and moan about immigrants all day long, but until we hold the American Companies responsible for chasing them out of Mexico and into our Home Depot parking lots then we will just have to live with it.</p><p> </p><p>In the last 6 years, more immigrants have come here and helped many companies grow and while the fun lasted, everyone from the the President to the average Joe looked the other way.</p><p> </p><p>What everyone failed to realize, was their were two principles at work here.</p><p> </p><p>First, a short term gain for businesses who prospered using this cheap labor force. New companies sprouted up and the President boasted about the entreprenuer spirit higher than ever.</p><p> </p><p>Second, the long term loss of having these folks in this country and them getting married while here, having children here and laying down roots. </p><p> </p><p>The real loss is now being felt by all Americans, the short term gain for business has run its course and now the rest of America pays.</p><p> </p><p>Children in schools, over crowded hospitals, drivers on highways without licenses and insurance and so on...</p><p> </p><p>These factors are costing us Millions of dollars and the price keeps getting higher everyday.</p><p> </p><p>Our thirst for cheap prices isnt really cheap after all when you factor that the cost of everything else has gone up skyhigh.</p><p> </p><p>If I save $100.00 a month walmart while shopping, I spend it on higher property taxes each month to pay for prisons, policemen & schools..</p><p> </p><p>Why not really fix this problem and begin with Mexico. Why not stop American companies from exploiting people and sending them here so we "the taxpayers" subsidize their greedy operations.</p><p> </p><p>Why not force these American companies to pay a living wage to the people of Mexico and work to fix their infrastructure and keep them in their own country.</p><p> </p><p>Well, you and I know the answer to that question, its not profitable to do that. Neither political party wants to take that on, lets just keep bitching about it and do nothing.</p><p> </p><p>Today, you and I can debate this issue till the sun burns out, but at the end of the day, its our thirst for cheap prices as American consumers, and the corporate thirst for profits that will leave the illegal immigrant problem at status quo.</p><p> </p><p>As i said at the begining, I will not disagree with everything you said, I can agree that we both are right and wrong on issues but our insight is dead-on with the fact the "we" have the ability to look at the situation and form an opinion.</p><p> </p><p>Peace.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BrownShark, post: 262032, member: 12148"] Char, Excellent response. I appreciate the comments. I will not disagree with all your statements, but If you will, let me take a couple of points and offer you a counterpoint. Briefly, With regard to your statement abouts about China and Russia raising thier ugly heads again.. We have to blame President Bush Directly for that. It is HIS fault solely. Why do I say that?? Its simple, Reagan outspent Russia 5 to 1 until Russia ran out of money. Oil prices were low, and the russians were on a course with bankruptcy. China was suffering as they were not exporting enough goods to support their military ambitions. Today, as Bush takes this country further into the abyss of wars and his actions causes the price of OIL to rise to levels unheard of, Russia is the Biggest Winner!! The high price of OIL is rebuilding the Russian economy and its military is once again capable of being rebuilt with the huge OIL profits. If President Bush had kept prices of crude low, the Russians would be out of business in a few more years, instead, they are once again rising to superpower capacity. China will one day dominate this country with its trillions in on hand cash and super infrastructure of industry. We on the other hand are becoming a nation of debt, a weakoning dollar and the elimination of industry. These are the begining of a third world nation. As we preach freedom, we then imprison ourselves to a life of suffering at our own hands. Next point: You wrote: "As for China and Wal Mart, you can blame both Clinton and Bush (Democrats and Republicans) for the allowing of China to dump cheap goods on American shores. But you can't blame Wal Mart for having to compete. If you go into Target and K Mart and just about any other retailer they all sell the same Chinese crap. " (end quote) I dont blame any politician for this, I blame Americans for supporting it and buying the stuff. Look at whats happened so far, Poisoned dog food, poison toothpaste, lead in paint & banned substances in oils, paints and stains. This is only the begining. We can disagree on how it all started, but it all ends with the dollar. Under Bush 2, more companies have moved their operations off shore and into third world countries just to take advantage of peoples poverty. Lets take Mexico for instance, Americans wonder why the people of Mexico are coming to this country by the millions. Americans do alot of complaining, and both political parties preach about curbing the problem, yet neither the American public nor the Political parties of this country are ready to address the real problem. It is always real easy to "treat" a symptom, but tougher to "treat" the real problem. In Mexico, there has to be a reason the population would rather risk death or imprisonment than stay in thier native land. Its simple, the secretary of commerce for Mexico released the statistics for 2007 with respect to employment. Currently, 41% of all the jobs available in Mexico are provided by American Companies. Of those companies, the average yearly wage rose to $4500.00 A YEAR in 2007. Yes, $4500.00 a year. No healthcare, No pensions No nothing. For this, the mexican people live in shacks in towns with no paved roads, no phones, no TV, no Radio, no supermarkets, no schools...etc. etc... With only $4500.00 a year in wages, and with a 45 hour workweek, that gives each employee of these American companies $86.53 a week gross, minus what the companies charge them to work there, Uniforms, shoes, gloves and in some cases, housing. On $86.53 a week, the mexican people cant afford to pay attention. Why stay in a country that would treat its people in this fashion when they can make it into this country and find a job within days of arriving, live in home with a roof on it, drive on roads that are paved, send their children to schools, watch television in their native language, eat nice food, go to a building that has everything you could ever want to eat in your lifetime and the best part, make about $75.00 to $100.00 tax free a day?? We as Americans can bitch and moan about immigrants all day long, but until we hold the American Companies responsible for chasing them out of Mexico and into our Home Depot parking lots then we will just have to live with it. In the last 6 years, more immigrants have come here and helped many companies grow and while the fun lasted, everyone from the the President to the average Joe looked the other way. What everyone failed to realize, was their were two principles at work here. First, a short term gain for businesses who prospered using this cheap labor force. New companies sprouted up and the President boasted about the entreprenuer spirit higher than ever. Second, the long term loss of having these folks in this country and them getting married while here, having children here and laying down roots. The real loss is now being felt by all Americans, the short term gain for business has run its course and now the rest of America pays. Children in schools, over crowded hospitals, drivers on highways without licenses and insurance and so on... These factors are costing us Millions of dollars and the price keeps getting higher everyday. Our thirst for cheap prices isnt really cheap after all when you factor that the cost of everything else has gone up skyhigh. If I save $100.00 a month walmart while shopping, I spend it on higher property taxes each month to pay for prisons, policemen & schools.. Why not really fix this problem and begin with Mexico. Why not stop American companies from exploiting people and sending them here so we "the taxpayers" subsidize their greedy operations. Why not force these American companies to pay a living wage to the people of Mexico and work to fix their infrastructure and keep them in their own country. Well, you and I know the answer to that question, its not profitable to do that. Neither political party wants to take that on, lets just keep bitching about it and do nothing. Today, you and I can debate this issue till the sun burns out, but at the end of the day, its our thirst for cheap prices as American consumers, and the corporate thirst for profits that will leave the illegal immigrant problem at status quo. As i said at the begining, I will not disagree with everything you said, I can agree that we both are right and wrong on issues but our insight is dead-on with the fact the "we" have the ability to look at the situation and form an opinion. Peace. [/QUOTE]
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