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<blockquote data-quote="BeefiestMass" data-source="post: 4891299" data-attributes="member: 90057"><p>Coops, even worker coops, in capitalist countries are definitely capitalistic, I agree. The defining capitalist relationship between labor and capital is not there, and so workers kind of become their own capitalists, but with stark and universal differences in explicit goals and organization than any other type of firm. Do the workers control the means of production? Yes, so socialist. Is profit the purpose of the firm? No, so socialist. Is profit desirable for a coop? Yes, so capitalist. Are they privately controlled? Yes, so capitalist. </p><p>I don't think it's really one or the other, more like a third way, and they exist in both capitalist and socialist economies.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BeefiestMass, post: 4891299, member: 90057"] Coops, even worker coops, in capitalist countries are definitely capitalistic, I agree. The defining capitalist relationship between labor and capital is not there, and so workers kind of become their own capitalists, but with stark and universal differences in explicit goals and organization than any other type of firm. Do the workers control the means of production? Yes, so socialist. Is profit the purpose of the firm? No, so socialist. Is profit desirable for a coop? Yes, so capitalist. Are they privately controlled? Yes, so capitalist. I don't think it's really one or the other, more like a third way, and they exist in both capitalist and socialist economies. [/QUOTE]
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