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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4353306" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>I'm not advocating nationalism, at least not in an exclusionary or detrimental to other nations manner. I am all in favor of finding positive sum solutions to problems. But for you to say that the culture of liberty is for the markets and products, sounds like a "grass is greener", envious mentality to me.</p><p></p><p>No one is being compelled to participate in the market by anything other than their own self interest. You are at liberty to aim towards whatever level in the market at which you wish to operate. The only things in your way are your own competence and the other people competing for the same things you want.</p><p></p><p>You are at liberty to join a union, and throw in your lot with others to improve your bargaining position. Or you can apply yourself to enhancing your, or gaining new, skills and bargaining on your own behalf.</p><p></p><p>You don't like the way your state or city is being run? You are at liberty to run for office and try to improve things, or get out of dodge. Yes, the people with money will always have more influence in the world, that is how it has always been. But you are at liberty, in this country, to strive to amass your own fortune, and wield what influence you might.</p><p></p><p>You are at liberty to apply yourself to solving a problem, and you are at liberty to do nothing, and still complain about the problem. That's an amazing thing right there.</p><p></p><p>These things may be the case in many other countries, but America was a pioneer in individual liberty. Those ideas have spread and been adopted. Maybe other countries have surpassed us in some ways. That does not, in any way, detract from the greatness of America.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4353306, member: 63706"] I'm not advocating nationalism, at least not in an exclusionary or detrimental to other nations manner. I am all in favor of finding positive sum solutions to problems. But for you to say that the culture of liberty is for the markets and products, sounds like a "grass is greener", envious mentality to me. No one is being compelled to participate in the market by anything other than their own self interest. You are at liberty to aim towards whatever level in the market at which you wish to operate. The only things in your way are your own competence and the other people competing for the same things you want. You are at liberty to join a union, and throw in your lot with others to improve your bargaining position. Or you can apply yourself to enhancing your, or gaining new, skills and bargaining on your own behalf. You don't like the way your state or city is being run? You are at liberty to run for office and try to improve things, or get out of dodge. Yes, the people with money will always have more influence in the world, that is how it has always been. But you are at liberty, in this country, to strive to amass your own fortune, and wield what influence you might. You are at liberty to apply yourself to solving a problem, and you are at liberty to do nothing, and still complain about the problem. That's an amazing thing right there. These things may be the case in many other countries, but America was a pioneer in individual liberty. Those ideas have spread and been adopted. Maybe other countries have surpassed us in some ways. That does not, in any way, detract from the greatness of America. [/QUOTE]
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