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<blockquote data-quote="Whither" data-source="post: 4353871" data-attributes="member: 76643"><p>To me this post read like a Sunday school lesson. I'll focus on the above point. You might as well say "No one is being compelled <strong>to breathe</strong> by anything other than their own self interest." On an extreme technicality, yes, since the other option is simply not viable ...</p><p></p><p>The history of capitalism/global market development demonstrates that people did not volunteer (unless you count consenting under duress) to work the plantations and factories. For example in England, a pioneer in this history, the enclosure of the commons forced people off the land and into wage slavery -- *ahem*, into dependence on selling their labor to earn a wage. In recent history, consider the Soviet and Chinese governments' ruthless treatment of peasants in order to mobilize them to feed (and ultimately become conscripts in) a productive labor force ...</p><p></p><p>For fun, here's a short article (based off a scholarly work) contrasting the work habits of medieval serfs and those of us who live during the pinnacle of civilization -- <a href="https://allthatsinteresting.com/medieval-peasants-vacation-more" target="_blank">The Average American Works Harder And Vacations Less Than A Medieval Peasant</a> </p><p></p><p>Anyway, when you're born without land and you're trained from infancy to become a participant in the market, you participate in the market. And of course you must surrender plenty of your liberties in order to remain a participant, e.g., to survive. Our contract, in part, is a registry of how many liberties we must surrender and in exchange for what.</p><p></p><p>Maybe you can get out of Dodge, but you do not leave the Hotel California ...</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Whither, post: 4353871, member: 76643"] To me this post read like a Sunday school lesson. I'll focus on the above point. You might as well say "No one is being compelled [B]to breathe[/B] by anything other than their own self interest." On an extreme technicality, yes, since the other option is simply not viable ... The history of capitalism/global market development demonstrates that people did not volunteer (unless you count consenting under duress) to work the plantations and factories. For example in England, a pioneer in this history, the enclosure of the commons forced people off the land and into wage slavery -- *ahem*, into dependence on selling their labor to earn a wage. In recent history, consider the Soviet and Chinese governments' ruthless treatment of peasants in order to mobilize them to feed (and ultimately become conscripts in) a productive labor force ... For fun, here's a short article (based off a scholarly work) contrasting the work habits of medieval serfs and those of us who live during the pinnacle of civilization -- [URL='https://allthatsinteresting.com/medieval-peasants-vacation-more']The Average American Works Harder And Vacations Less Than A Medieval Peasant[/URL] Anyway, when you're born without land and you're trained from infancy to become a participant in the market, you participate in the market. And of course you must surrender plenty of your liberties in order to remain a participant, e.g., to survive. Our contract, in part, is a registry of how many liberties we must surrender and in exchange for what. Maybe you can get out of Dodge, but you do not leave the Hotel California ... [/QUOTE]
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