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"You guys need to get a union!"
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<blockquote data-quote="zubenelgenubi" data-source="post: 4353930" data-attributes="member: 63706"><p>You misunderstood, then conflated two different points. The minute you engage in trade, you involve yourself in a market. It is almost inescapable, because it is a an integral aspect of society and civilization. To escape markets, you would have to disengage from society entirely. That is admittedly becoming more and more difficult, but by no means impossible. In that sense you are limited only by your imagination.</p><p></p><p>The point I was making is that you are free to choose your level of involvement in the market. You are never guaranteed success in that engagement, but that is an unavoidable reality. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you that you must work a certain job, or any particular number of hours. It all comes down to your level of self interest, and what you want out of life, and your abilities and willingness to achieve at the level necessary to obtain the life you want.</p><p></p><p>If you think serfs had anywhere near the standard of living we have, you're in for a rude awakening. We work 160 hrs per year more, and we don't have to walk in human feces everywhere we go. That's a trade I'll gladly, voluntarily, engage in. But if you think serfs had it better than we do, however, then by all means, find a feudal lord to pay homage to.</p><p></p><p>The point about getting out of dodge was that if you don't like the way your city or state is run, you are at liberty to move somewhere more suited to your tastes, or stay and try to change things.</p><p></p><p>I hope that wasn't too unsophisticated or hackneyed for your sensibilities.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="zubenelgenubi, post: 4353930, member: 63706"] You misunderstood, then conflated two different points. The minute you engage in trade, you involve yourself in a market. It is almost inescapable, because it is a an integral aspect of society and civilization. To escape markets, you would have to disengage from society entirely. That is admittedly becoming more and more difficult, but by no means impossible. In that sense you are limited only by your imagination. The point I was making is that you are free to choose your level of involvement in the market. You are never guaranteed success in that engagement, but that is an unavoidable reality. No one is holding a gun to your head telling you that you must work a certain job, or any particular number of hours. It all comes down to your level of self interest, and what you want out of life, and your abilities and willingness to achieve at the level necessary to obtain the life you want. If you think serfs had anywhere near the standard of living we have, you're in for a rude awakening. We work 160 hrs per year more, and we don't have to walk in human feces everywhere we go. That's a trade I'll gladly, voluntarily, engage in. But if you think serfs had it better than we do, however, then by all means, find a feudal lord to pay homage to. The point about getting out of dodge was that if you don't like the way your city or state is run, you are at liberty to move somewhere more suited to your tastes, or stay and try to change things. I hope that wasn't too unsophisticated or hackneyed for your sensibilities. [/QUOTE]
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